cancer

Trevor:                         Hi there, I’m Dr Trevor Cates, welcome to the Spa Dr. Podcast. Today’s podcast is about how to be the C.E.O. of your child’s health. My guests are Ryan and Teddy Sternagel who started My kid Cures Cancer one year after their son Ryder was diagnosed in 2014, was stage four neuroblastoma, that’s a childhood cancer of the nervous system. Wanting to do everything they could for their son, Ryan and Teddy dove deep into integrative research and as a result today Ryder is a happy healthy little boy.

After consulting with doctors and health experts all over the world and a lot of trial and error, My Kid Cures Cancer was born to make finding this information assessable to other parents that need it. In today’s interview, Ryan and Teddy share their story with Ryan’s journey and they share tips on how the rest of us can create a healthier home for our families to thrive. So please enjoy this interview.

Ryan and Teddy it’s great to have you on my podcast.

Ryan and Teddy:           Hey Trevor, good to be here. Great to be here, thank you.

Trevor:                         And I know you guys live right down the street so we really should be doing this in person but we’re so used to doing things a certain way that we have to do it this way, right?

Ryan and Teddy:           I was just telling Teddy we still got to stop by Ryder and have one of those snack bars you posted. He’s been craving it.

Trevor:                         Right, Thalia’s bar. You definitely need to have some of us those. Yeah, absolutely. You guys are in Park City, it’s so great to have you as neighbors. Why don’t you guys just start off by telling what your story about, what got you into doing what you’re doing now. What your big goal and missions are.

Ryan and Teddy:           I guess it’s been three and a half years but it all started with the worst news that any parent could ever receive, well at least, right up there with the worst news. Our son Ryder who is now four and a half was diagnosed with stage four cancer. It came as a complete shock to us because we were just, we were pretty health conscious and really did our best to live an organic healthy lifestyle and just trying to do everything right, whatever that means. But to us we felt like we were doing everything right and we always joked that our kid looks so healthy and so it really was just such shocking news for us.

When Ryder was about one, that’s when we found out when I was nursing him and I felt a lump sticking out of his back. It wasn’t big enough to really set off any alarm bells right at that very moment but going through the weekend just realizing that there was a lump where there shouldn’t have been just made us both super uncomfortable and we got into the doctor right away, his pediatrician who also happened to be a naturopath, which went along with everything that we believed in and still do to this day and I believe that’s why Ryder has done so well so I do stand by that. Nobody thought that it was anything of concern. I really had to push to get a second opinion and to get a referral to at least an orthopedic because I didn’t know where to even go for a lump staking out of your baby’s back.

So we finally got that right for all to the main children’s hospital where we were living at the time and they told us to go home and wait and see take.

They had to take an x-ray and …

And blood work. Blood work came back fine and the x-ray showed that he was constipated which was also kind of a red flag looking back on it because he was very regular up until that last few weeks or so.

And then he just pretty much just stopped going all together. And so all of those things compounded for us with the fact that he also wasn’t crawling and everybody says your child develops at his own pace but the fact that he wasn’t crawling, having a hard time sitting up, the constipation out of nowhere and this lump that nobody could explain.

And he fell off the growth chart.

And he completely fell off the growth chart.

Kind of stopped growing at like six months.

Right. He had started around the 90th percentile and dropped all the way down to I believe he was in the 25th the time that he was actually formally diagnosed and I was told it was because I was breastfeeding him, which now I look back and I’m like that’s crazy. And I have a second child now and she was breastfed and she stayed on the growth chart. Basically all of those things just lead Ryan and I to just not take the whole wait and see approach. Just we could not live with that and I had been Googling like a maniac looking for just reasons why there would be a lump sticking out of Ryder’s back and I kept coming back to neuroblastoma which is a really rare form of childhood cancer. All of the things matched up with that.

So when I took that back to the orthopedic doctor they thought I was just one of those overly paranoid first time moms and even said neuroblastoma is so rare, if he had it like his stomach would be sticking out more and all of these different things but we’ll do an ultrasound for your own peace of mind. It was that ultrasound that said that there were some large masses that resembled neuroblastoma that led to an M.R.I. And the M.R.I. is where we just got slammed with really just it was so shocking because it wasn’t just, I mean just neuroblastoma, it was the fact that the little lump that I had felt had actually spread to the four quadrants of his stomach. It was stage four, it had metastasized to his hip bones. We were almost starting to believe that it was nothing and then bam. That was really hard and of course once he was diagnosed and they wanted to get us in right away to start chemotherapy and that’s where Ryan and I put on the brakes and knew that we had to be doing other things to support him.

Yeah. It was a very large tumor, larger than his kidneys. His primary tumor was larger than his kidneys, it was inside of his spine, like inside of and growing out of his spine. Then there was a couple secondary tumors and like she said, they had all metastasized into the bone. It was tough, it was really tough news and that’s obviously not what you want to hear. I don’t know, kind of like through our transition into living a healthy life and just all the stuff we talk about, we had seen a bunch of holistic cancer documentaries if you want to call it that. We’d seen some stuff on the Gerson therapy which is a pretty well known alternative holistic cancer. The Brezinski documentary, that sort of thing. We knew we wanted to be putting all available methods to use and not just necessarily relying on conventional treatment.

It became clear to us, when you get really into, really into alternative stuff then a lot of people say just go 1005 and a lot of people do go 100%, adults that is. Children you don’t really have that choice. That was made pretty clear to us but what we did know is that we were going to do everything we could.

I mean we really started from day one doing all of these like holistic protocols that we’ve been researching and we just kept like through call it divine intervention being led to the right people that were helping us and we got connected to an amazing naturopathic oncologist who really guided us in the beginning. And ultimately with Ryder fast forwarding we were able to stop halfway through the conventional protocol. So instead of going through eight rounds of chemotherapy …

Would have been at least eight rounds.

At least eight rounds, we stopped after four rounds. It wasn’t easy because like Ryan said it is hard with kids and today’s medical system but it’s what we were able to do and as you know we did move states and that’s why we’re here and neighbors with you and we found a great team to work with and they took away and see approach. So stopping chemotherapy still meant Ryder was getting scanned with M.R.I.’s every three months and then that was pushed up to six months and at our last M.R.I. our oncologist made the decision to wait an entire year because at this point it looks like what’s left is just scar tissue and his remaining tumor that was in is spinal cord.

So needless to say, Ryder is doing amazing. He’s running, he’s jumping. We weren’t sure if he would ever be able to walk and …

A lot of people were telling us he probably, even if he lived wouldn’t be able to walk.

Right, and our team here when they saw the scans, I mean didn’t know how he would ever walk. The tumor was so large in his spinal cord. It’s a miracle and I think it’s really a testament to everything that we did to support his body through this and that’s really where My Kid Cures Cancer was born. We originally just had a fundraising Facebook page that we used but we still like to post updates and share the things that we were doing for Ryder and why we needed fundraising and of course all these holistic approach protocols aren’t covered by insurance so that was really our big goal and raising money so that we could afford to do all of the things that we did. Like we bought an infrared sauna right away. We bought a rife machine, a nice juicer and of course all the produce that goes into it.

Like in the hospital we literally, we had a whole juicing set up in the hospital and that blew the nurses. Oh, you’re making his own feeds and yeah, okay.

Yeah, we never used their feeding formulas, we always made our own and Ryder did so great and so I really believe that everything that we did to support his body really helped him not only thrive through treatment but it helped us to cut that treatment in half.

Trevor:                         Wow. What an an amazing journey. And so, how long ago was that last M.R.I.?

Ryan and Teddy:           So that was back just right before his birthday, his fourth birthday back in May.

Trevor:                         Okay, all right. And you say he’s doing great now?

Ryan and Teddy:           Yeah, he’s still doing great.

Yeah, running around. It’s funny, he’s four and I guess more of a typical toddler. He can be a punk about things at times and that sort of thing but it’s like those are normal parent problems to deal with.

It’s funny we were joking, he is a little punk about certain things but when it comes down to his protocol he knows and it’s all business. Like he willfully sits in the sauna five or six days a week with Ryan for 45 minutes at a time getting it as hot as it goes and [winter in 00:11:57] our basement which is typically around 140. He takes all of his supplements, his capsules. He drinks his juices.

Knows all of his supplements.

He knows them all. Like you pull the bottle out, oh, that’s propolis. That’s his job and so when he’s being a typical four year old it’s funny he just, he knows the difference. He knows what he needs to do versus what he can kind of get away with.

Trevor:                         That’s great and that’s because he’s got amazing parents that have helped guide him along the way so you guy have done an amazing job. And also the health team that you’ve developed, that sounds like they’ve been a lot of help to you. It’s interesting as we’re talking about this, you guys do have a pretty unique situation, like you said that type of cancer is very rare. I think as parents it is an interesting balance of trying to figure out how do you be good parents and aware without being paranoid, right? So what have you guys found with that? There’s so much we could talk about raising kids and their health and I have three kids and we definitely have had our struggles over the years, know getting sick or traumas or various things that we’ve gone and it is this balance, especially when they’re little, they are completely dependent upon you. And so you’ve got to make those choices but at the same time you don’t want to be the paranoid parent.

Ryan and Teddy:           Yeah, exactly. I think there absolutely is a fine line but at same time a huge part of our following are parents that their children don’t have cancer and they’re just following to learn about how to lead a more healthy anti-cancer lifestyle. I think at the end of the day we make so many exceptions to our health when we go out, if you’re going to a friend’s house, out to dinner that I think when we’re at home we just really need to be on top of our game and just set our kids up for the healthiest life.

Yeah, and I think the other thing is you don’t need to be paranoid but you want answers. [inaudible 00:14:21] low chance that if something’s going wrong with your kid that means they have cancer but maybe it means that they had some antibiotics or they ate too much not organic food and then that glyphosate got in there and messed up their gut. Maybe they’ve got some gut problems that need to be addressed. Does that mean that it has to be some like paranoid end of the world type thing? No. It’s your job as a parent to figure out what’s going on with the health of your kid and address whatever that might be. If it’s a gut thing then there’s a whole lot of information these days on the Internet about how to fix a leaky gut or dysbiosis that sort of thing. It’s just figuring out what needs to be done and doing. It doesn’t need to be a paranoid thing, yeah.

Trevor:                         Right. It’s more about being aware than paranoid. And then you guys talk about being the C.E.O. of your kids’ health, I like the way you put that. Explain that a little bit for people.

Ryan and Teddy:           I guess like day one when I’m trying to research, dig through all these studies and Pub Med and come up with all these protocols and everything and I’m bringing in, consulting different naturopathic oncologists and cancer coaches and we’re both just on the phone all the time or on the internet all the time. Right away there was this like almost expectation that I needed to be the, like I put that expectation on myself and then also trying to justify all the stuff we’re doing to other people, now I have to be the expert and be able to explain all of it to our parents or to our friends or to whoever is asking.

But it’s not really the kids. You don’t need to be the expert per se but, you know, a C.E.O. isn’t necessarily, like he’s not a financial guru but he knows enough about finance to like evaluate his C.F.O. and get him in there to mess with all the finer points and same thing with the C.O.O. for operations and C.T.O. for technology. You get the analogy. You don’t need to be the expert but you need to be the guy running the ship bringing in all available resources that it’s going to take to do the job sort of thing. So that’s why within a week we had a naturopathic oncologist who turned out to be like the premier naturopathic in the country. Now I’m going to like the cancer conferences and stuff and he’s the one giving the keynotes on all those types of conferences so that’s pretty cool.

We got a nutritionist, we were consulting with all sorts of various cancer coaches. If you watch The Truth About Cancer documentary series, the first one, the first version of that series came out like I think a couple weeks after diagnosis. So we were sitting there with like pens and paper and just writing down every one featured on that series that really resonated with us and I was on the phone with them getting advice and getting pointed at different directions just right away. You’re in charge pretty much. You don’t have to be the expert, making the final calls and bringing in the people that need to brought in sort of thing.

Trevor:                         Yeah, absolutely. I’m sure there’s a certain amount or I’m guessing there’s a certain amount of fear, some things that are scary about all of that. Anything you want to share about that?

Ryan and Teddy:           What we have found is it is scary and there have been parts of this last three and a half years that have been terrifying, especially at the very beginning. What we have found is that the busier that we have been and the more on top of Ryder’s protocol we’ve been, the better we sleep at night and sometimes we’re only sleeping a few hours by choice because of everything but the better we feel about it. So really doing all of this is our way of knowing that we’re doing everything as Ryder’s parents that we can be doing. And now for our daughter too because we don’t want her to ever have to deal with this.

Lately we’ve been working with other parents of children going through cancer and trying to do everything they can and that’s a comment we’ll get quite often is this is really scary, what do we do. The first thing I try to tell them is you don’t have time to be scared. There’s just too much to figure out. There’s studies to read, there’s people to consult, there’s just fund raising to do. All that stuff and I think every once in a while it would all catch up to me or us and we’d have our little breakdowns or whatever then you brush yourself off and you get back to work. It was always very empowering knowing that there’s a lot you can be doing. You don’t have to just sit back and feel like a victim. You can take charge of the situation whatever that situation might be and do what you have to do.

Most people, I mean, many people go through conventional treatment 100% conventionally and listen to the, I can’t even call it wisdom but we were told don’t eat fruits and vegetables. Just like crazy things that looking back which is common sense you’re like why. We were empowered to do these things for Ryder and another part of his story which I think is a really big part is we asked for a feeding tube before he even started chemotherapy. It was a battle to get it because it was just not heard of. Why would you want a feeding tube, he hasn’t even had chemotherapy and he’s not losing weight, but we knew that that was our insurance to make sure that he would be getting the right nutrition and he was one. I mean, that’s still like an infant, barely a toddler and at that point he couldn’t take in anything at a therapeutic level that would actually help him without that feeding tube.

So we kept it for over a year and I attribute it like hugely to what we were able to put into him and now that he’s four he’s able to do the same things he was able to do then but he’s able to do everything orally.

Trevor:                         Did you find out anything about why this happened, like why he developed this type of cancer? Did you have any insight on that, any answers?

Ryan and Teddy:           I think it’s something that we visit frequently sometimes and we both have our own theories. As a type of cancer for him it developed while I was pregnant while he was in the womb. I think for me if I could go back and do it over again I would eliminate all of the EMF’s around me and I would learn, I would have taken my stress and just managed it better because it’s like I was working full time and I was just allowing the stress and the cortisol I think to go to Ryder. I’m not saying that’s what did it but if I could go back and repeat it now I know like what real stress is like but I think I can manage it better and so it’s just funny because it’s just the work stress, it doesn’t matter like in the long run but I wish that I didn’t put that into Ryder. And who knows because it’s all just theory, like we never really know why or how something goes wrong. That would be what I would do.

Yeah, yeah. In general, when you hear about the reasons adults got cancer it’s never just one particular thing. That’s the reason that more and more adults are getting cancer is the same reason the more and more kids are getting. Really it’s just there’s, everywhere you look there’s more chemicals in the environment, the electromagnetic fields are getting stronger, people’s lifestyles are more stressful. Just the world is more stressful place.

Yeah, and all the toxins too. Like I was saying earlier, we thought that we were living like this healthy lifestyle. When Ryder was diagnosed, we went through our entire house and literally filled up two big black garbage bags full of chemicals that were still in our home that we were still using even though we were like health minded. So now I realize that’s like okay, there are still a lot of toxins that like we don’t even think twice about. Like bleach or toilet cleaners, hair sprays, certain deodorants. There’s still.

I think processed food and like hydrogenated fats are a really big deal, I think especially for childhood cancer, I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately. Those are literally, that’s what your cells get made up of is fats. If you’re putting these unrecognizable fats into your body, for an adult that’s just going to gunk things up over time and not allow oxygen into the cell and that’s kind of one of the prime causes of cancer is, one of the root mechanisms of cancer I should say is oxygen deprivation to the cells. If that’s still in your diet, and we were still going out to eat.

Pretty frequently.

Yeah. We were eating organic at home but then you go out to eat and it’s kind of like magic.

Whatever you want.

Whatever. If your kid in the womb is literally being developed with these unrecognizable fats for cells, it’s not surprising something would go wrong on top of all the other stuff, yeah.

Trevor:                         We are seeing rise in childhood cancer rates, right?

Ryan and Teddy:           Yeah, and we’re told it’s just bad luck. We’ve done enough research to know that it’s more than just bad luck.

Trevor:                         It definitely seems like there’s a correlation with the rise in the number of chemicals in our environment with those rates and cancer arising. I talk about this quite often about how we’re exposed to more toxins now than we ever have been because the chemicals, the toxic chemicals that have made in the past that have been linked to cancer are still lingering in our environment even if they’ve been banned they still exist in the soil and our water and they travel over from other countries where they’re not banned. And then harmful chemicals, carcinogenic chemicals are continuing to be made in our environment and then we find out about them after some time passes. And then maybe they’re banned. We’re getting more of these in our air, water, food and personal care products than ever.

So whatever we can do to reduce this I think is important. I do encourage people to get trash bags like you guys did and go through your house and find all those things. I talk a lot about this in my book and where to find these and how to read labels and how to just throw things away and get a fresh start, you don’t need those things. We have so many options now for natural products, organic food and a cleaner way of living, cleaning products, all these things, we have much better, we have so many options, we don’t need all these other things.

Ryan and Teddy:           And some of these options work so much better because now we have eliminated all of the chemicals and I could never go back. When I smell certain detergents that are made of chemicals and I can smell people from like 10 feet away and it doesn’t smell good to me I’m just like wow, if I can smell that from here what is that doing you know to just your body.

It’s just kind of a mental leap that I guess you have to take but I don’t even think like, oh, I wish I could use that chemical product anymore. I wish I could still use anything. There’s a natural God given alternative for whatever it is, be it a cleaning product or personal care product … I just got like a cotton/hemp/wax based food wrap to replace plastic wrap for your leftovers and stuff. There’s nothing that you really have to rely on for chemicals but it’s just, yeah, I guess it’s just getting past that, what we’ve all been taught is these are the things you use but it’s just, yeah, it’s just not the case, doesn’t need to be anyway.

Trevor:                         Yeah. We certainly get set in our patterns and the things that we use and all of that. Sometimes it takes an interview like this for people to, wait, why am I using plastic on everything and everything and why am I using these toxic skin care or cleaning products. You also talk about creating a culture of health in your family. How do you cultivate that with your family?

Ryan and Teddy:           I think this notion of your kids only know the reality that you present to them is pretty big. I was interviewing Dr Darrell Wolf on my podcast a while back. We have a show just interviewing people about holistic cancer approaches and sort of thing. He made the joke, he’s like, when’s the last time your 11 year old said, all right mom, I’m going to go grab the visa and take the car down to the store and pick up some food. It just doesn’t happen. What you bring into the house is basically the options your kids have. If those options are all healthy options then those are the options they know, you know what I mean.

Living example. There are just living that example for them. They watch you, and we started believing with Ryder because we were told so many times that Ryder was just so special and so unique that he would take all of these things for us that the typical four year old wouldn’t. While I get that he was like completely indoctrinated and he didn’t have a choice, it’s really interesting to see his 20 month old sister completely mimic everything that he does and by golly whatever Ryder gets she wants it too and so we have to make her own little green drink.

Fighting for the green powder.

It’s hilarious because she wants it. I don’t even have to like barter with her or anything. And sometimes I find myself bartering with Ryder, like hey, if you want to go play then you need to do this first.

It also has to be like a whole family thing too. You can’t be just eating crap and then expecting, even if they don’t see you, I don’t know, kids are pretty energetically sensitive. I think their B.S. meter is pretty high. And so if you’re not practicing what you preach and you’re not actually doing the things that you’re telling them to do, they’re going to get it it’s going to come through. Pretty much everything that Ryder does we do. We do like the hot-cold thing for metabolic function and immunity and all that stuff. I take a cold shower every morning or like a contrast hot-cold shower. Ryder, he gets his hot-cold shower right after the sauna. Park City, winter cold water that’s pretty cold.

You know.

I think he got up to counting to 40 in that cold water the other day. I don’t know and it’s fun like getting the whole family involved in all this stuff. We got little exercises we do pretty much every day and …

That’s a good point. I mean we do make it fun. Like our house is not like this strict house that you wouldn’t want to come over to. Everything that we do we do try to make it just normal and fun for the kids. It’s not something that they feel like they’re being punished over, it’s how they live and I think that they’re both pretty happy kids.

Very happy kids.

Trevor:                         I think that’s a really great point that it’s not a sacrifice, it’s not giving things up, it’s not oh, we’re going to change things and life’s going to be miserable. It’s actually a lot of fun. My daughter [Thalia 00:32:27], my two older ones they’re teenagers so they aren’t as involved in making meals and stuff with me anymore but my 11 year old, she loves it, she loves getting things like the zucchini and squash on the spiralizer and it’s just so much fun. Juicing and making and making smoothies and figuring out healthy ways to make dessert, coconut whipped cream, she loves that. But we make it fun, it’s not that we’re like oh God, we’ve got to do this.

I think you guys are, you’ve been doing it a while but for people that are watching or listening sometimes it’s a daunting thing to start off and you’ve got, maybe it’s for people who have a big family and they haven’t been doing any of this. Do you have any thoughts on how to get started. What’s the first thing that people can do?

Ryan and Teddy:           Maybe you have like a practical first thing or something babe but I think like back to the mindset of it, if you can get past like thinking that you’re depriving your child, you’re taking something away from them, you know what I mean, and instead you’re providing for them. You’re providing them a healthy life because maybe they don’t have any health problems now that you’re aware of but I mean just with all the rates of everything we see today just pretty much one in two you are going to get cancer at some point in their life, heart disease. You’re either setting them up providing them with the tools for a long healthy life or they’re going to go down the standard American route and you’re really rolling the dice there. So yeah, that was more of a philosophical mindset thing. Do you have any, what’s the first.

I completely agree with Ryan. I think mindset is huge for us. We really felt like we didn’t have a choice. It was almost like cold turkey. We went like 1000% with everything because we were fighting for our child’s life and we’ve kept that mentality because we just don’t want anything like that to ever hurt our family again. I hear people saying, well, how do you afford it all, it’s so expensive and it’s like the truth is it’s really not and I find when I go to the grocery store and I compare prices of buying a ton of produce versus buying like meats and processed foods, that’s actually quite a bit more expensive and it’s not nourishing, it’s not filling so I would say just not letting money be your guide because I do find a lot of people just think that this organic way of life just cost too much and isn’t an option.

I feel that nothing could be further from the truth and just making that a part of your lifestyle, you can grow your own food and there really is like a healthy alternative to everything like you are saying with the make up and our beauty products.

Even if you are standing there comparing an organic apple to a non organic apple and it is more expensive. Well it’s like so what. When you start digging into glyphosate particularly, but just all the different pesticides and herbicides and all that what they do to your gut and then what that means when you have gut damage and then back to that [inaudible 00:36:12] it’s like if you can afford a T.V. plan, a Netflix or a new car or whatever for a couple extra bucks a month on your grocery bill is just-

I think just prioritizing. Our culture I think I see it coming around like more people are getting more into like this healthy mindset and I think just like if everybody just collectively puts that priority on health then I just, we’re going to get healthier.

Trevor:                         You might be spending a little bit now but saving money down the road.

Ryan and Teddy:           Exactly.

Trevor:                         I’m glad you brought up the money thing because I do think that for a lot of people what we just can’t afford to eat like that or we can’t afford to shop at a health food store. But you don’t actually have to. I’m finding more and more regular grocery stores carrying organic produce and you can order some things online and save money. So there are definitely options.

Ryan and Teddy:           Absolutely.

Trevor:                         Great. Well, thanks you two for coming on and sharing your story, your journey and information. Tell everybody about your podcast and how they can find out about your podcast or your YouTube channel.

Ryan and Teddy:           The podcast, everything we do is just My Kid Cures Cancer. So whether it’s podcast, YouTube channel, Instagram, Facebook, My Kid Cures Cancer. Mykidcurescancer.com is the website where we kind of post all the stuff we do. The podcast in particular, if anyone’s watching this that is either going through cancer themselves or a loved one going through cancer …

Or wants to prevent cancer.

Or wants to prevent cancer, yeah, that’s pretty much all we talk about is approaches to cancer. Integrative/holistic approaches to cancer. If you do start digging into that world there’s certainly different opinions and views on what’s the right way to do it and all that. I like to say we bring all sides to the table on the podcasts. A lot of the folks on the truth about cancer series and just different naturopathic oncologist and functional medicine guys and all sorts of people. So yeah, it’s pretty neat. And then YouTube, I think what we’ve talked about your day gives you a bit of indication of like, we try to make fun, healthy videos showing how we implement all of this stuff with our kids and make it fun for the family I think.

Yeah, exactly. We’re also building a healthy home right now too so we are trying to incorporate that just into our social media and our YouTube just too like we were talking about earlier the healthy alternative to everything. It’s no different with building a house too because pretty much everything in a traditional home is very toxic and obviously we’re going to be taking and are already taking a very different route. So are going to be sharing that as well.

Indeed.

Trevor:                         Excellent, great. And I’ve been on your podcast, love it, we had fun.

Ryan and Teddy:           Yeah, that was great.

Trevor:                         Well, thanks again for joining us today and sharing your information and we’ll have the links up for your website and your podcast below your interview. So thanks again.

Ryan and Teddy:           Thank you, Trevor.

Trevor:                         I hope you enjoyed this interview today with Teddy and Ryan to learn more about them, My Kid Cures Cancer, their YouTube channel, their podcast, all of that information, just go to thespadr.com. Go to the podcast page with their interview and you’ll find all the information and links there and also they offered a healthy home checklist. So I’ll give you the link to that as well. This health home checklist is a downloadable P.D.F. checklist to help you remove toxins and supercharge your environment and your home for your family so it’s a place of healing.

So again, you can get all of that at thespadr.com. Go to the podcast page with their interview. You’ll find all the information and links there. And while you’re there on the website, I invite you to join The Spa Dr community so you don’t miss any of our upcoming shows. You can also subscribe to the podcast on iTunes so you can get the audio and video versions there as well. If you haven’t done so already I highly recommend you get your customized skin profile by going to theskinquiz.com. It’s free, takes just a few moments. You can answer a few questions and you’ll get your own customized skin information at the skinquiz.com. I’ll give you information about what your skin is trying to tell you about your health.

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