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Dr. Cates:               Hi there. Welcome to the spa doctor podcast. I’m Dr Trevor cates. On today’s podcast, we’re discussing good bugs and bad bugs and how they impact your health and your skin. My guest is Sarah Morgan, who is known for her innovative ideas that connect science to everyday life and it way that impacts thousands of people. Sarah is the founder and CEO of buddies and my belly and health education company, delivering serious science for serious health in a way that is seriously fun for everyone. Sarah is also the CEO of even a wellness company providing supplement support for those taking prescription medications. She earned her bachelor’s degree in biology and chemistry from the University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire, and she holds a master’s of science and functional nutrition from the University of bridgeport. In today’s interview, we discussed the various buddies that are in and on our bodies, how they impact our health and the things that you can start doing today to promote the good bugs that actually help protect against the harmful effects of the bad bugs. It’s really about creating balance and optimizing health, so please enjoy this interview, Sarah. So great to have you on my podcast. Welcome.

Sarah Morgan:    Thank you so much. It’s such an honor.

Dr. Cates:               Yeah. So we’re, um, really wanted to have you on to talk about these, um, these, um, belly buddies and this idea of how we can talk about. We can really simplify our discussions about the microbiome because I know my audience has heard me talk a lot about the gut microbiome, the skin microbiome, these microorganisms that live in our digestive track and then on our skin that protect our health, protect our skin, but it’s not always easy to share this information with other people and sometimes it feels like it gets kind of complicated. It’s hard to explain and the way and you’ve simplified it in a way that makes it easy for everybody to understand. So if you’re listening, this is a great way to share the information with other people who aren’t quite getting it or new to this information or if you’re listening and you’ve been struggling with this idea of dysbiosis and microbiome, these big words and not really sure how to explain it in a simple way. This is going to be fantastic information to share.

Sarah Morgan:    Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you so much. And Yeah, I’d love to just share kind of how the inspiration came about and um, so I have a master’s degree in nutrition and I have a daughter. I’m a mom and I remember looking at my daughter one day, she was about two and a half and I remember thinking what would it be like if she could not only understand these important concepts about her health but actually be able to actively participate in our health. And you know, I’ve worked in clinical practice the past 13 years and something I’ve seen as a pattern is typically there’s maybe one person in the family unit that’s really passionate about health. You know, they’re listening to podcasts, they’re buying books, they’re being educated, but then, you know, maybe they are a parent, they go to their kids and they’re trying to feed their kids.

Dr. Cates:               Well, they’re trying to feed their family well, keep everybody healthy, but sometimes it kind of feels lonely or like, you know, I’m nagging everybody else in my life of like, you need to be doing these things. They don’t really get it right so it can kind of feel lonely. And my big thing was what could we do to engage a family unit to be able to engage, um, you know, everybody’s. So communities, families can run after their health together. And so, you know, I started looking at some stats about childhood in America and I just, I’d love to share that if that’s okay because I think it’s so interesting. Have you know why I came to the conclusion I did, but the reality is our kids are sick and you know, one in three kids are overweight today. One in six have learning disabilities, one in 10 Adhd, one in 12 food allergies, one in 20 seizures and now one in 36 children in the United States as being diagnosed with autism.

Sarah Morgan:    So we’ve got half of our kids today that are overweight or have a chronic health issue and by 20, 25, 80 percent of children in America are going to have some type of health issue that impacts the rest of their life, right? And eventually they’re going to turn into adults. So my whole thing was like, I’m just not willing to accept this as our new reality and I really believe we can fix this, right? And we can involve everybody. We can take it to the masses and you know, my passion is our kids really are our future and I want them to live healthy lives. So bodies in my belly. Um, the story about probiotics was really created to solve this problem. And you know, I remember in my master’s program, learning about, you know, these trillions of microscopic organisms that live in our digestive track that collectively we call the microbiome.

And I know you have talked about this a lot on your podcast and you know, the microbiome is like a scientific breakthrough in human health, right? We, what I like to say is we aren’t healthy as humans without our probiotic buddies and you know, they regulate so many aspects of our human health and really function like an organ. Um, so my whole thing is like, you know what I believe that everybody on the planet needs to understand this concept of the microbiome because it will change their life and the life of their family. But you see, there’s another problem, and this is something I discovered in my clinical practice as well as just interacting with my friends and family, is that there is a major gap between scientific language and the everyday person and people really are afraid of what they don’t understand. So what I did is I went to one of my most inspirational historical figures, Albert Einstein, and he said, if you can’t explain it simply you don’t understand it well enough.

And that was the turning point for me of okay, there’s a lot of us talking about the microbiome, you know, we say like gut bugs and bacteria and we use these long scientific names. But I thought, okay, how do we simplify this? In a way that a four year old and a 40 year old can understand it. So I remember I was sitting in my living room one night and I’m like, okay, well, you know, these bacteria that we call probiotics, they really are our buddies and a lot of them live in our belly and it was kind of dislike. Everything came together. I’m like buddies in my belly, that’s a common language we can all use to describe this important concept about our health. And so from there, you know, I found my creative director and illustrator and I was like, okay, how do we make bacteria cute?

Because you know, if you do a google search, there’s a lot of very scary bacteria out there. And we had this idea for so long that bacteria are bad and now we’ve realized there actually one of the most important things about us and our human health. So I was like, okay, how can we make them even like fun characters? So we looked at the names, you know, bacteria and these long names like lactobacillus, bifidobacterium strapped to caucus. And I thought like, what if we shortened them like Lac de Biffy strappy the silly, like we keep this in the science, serious, serious health, but we make it in a way that seriously fun for everyone. And so, you know, that’s really my goal with this book and I’m really are our entire company is to kind like be the sesame street with health.

Dr. Cates:               I love it. And because it is, it is hard when you can’t actually see something on a day to day basis, that’s an easy way and you can look through a microscope, but most people don’t have access to that. You can, you even if you are looking at microscope because it’s so different than what we see and the everyday world. It’s hard to grasp exactly how important these things are and to really understand them. So if you can create images or stories or things like that, I think it makes it a lot easier to understand.

Sarah Morgan:    Yeah, absolutely. And you know, it’s so fun like I have, I have friends that are adults who, you know, they read the book and they’re like, Sarah, I actually learned something myself. You know, like I knew about probiotics and you can take probiotics, but I didn’t really make this connection of what they actually are and how they impact our human health and that we actually get to control most of that by what we eat, right? That’s our number one tool to impact these buddies positively and in that way we get to have healthy skin and all these other aspects of our health that are regulated by these little guys.

Dr. Cates:               Right? And this isn’t a fad, this isn’t something that’s going away. Those whole microbiome is. We’re just at the beginning of this that I really believe that more and more research is going to be coming out. It’s, it’s something that you know, is that the integrative dermatology conference and, and a skin microbiome conference. So there’s this conversation about the microbiome and, and more information coming out and I think that this is, this is something to really try to grasp and understand because so much is going to build upon this. So we need to figure out a way to communicate and understand this so that we can just learn more and go from here and be able to connect it with so many things. And I know that, you know, the connection between the gut, the gut microbiome and the skin microbiome. How do you, how do you help explain that part to people?

Sarah Morgan:    Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, what we talk about in the book, this is the Buddy’s book and there’s a little girl named Ruby and she talks about the buddies that live in her belly and how she gets to feed them and take care of them. And when she feeds them, you know, they, they, um, impact her positively and all these different ways. And it kind of goes through that. So, you know, when we think about the buddies that live in our digestive track, what I like to say is two to four pounds of who you are when you step on the scale is actually not you. It’s the buddies, right? That live in your valley. And that’s two to four pounds. You don’t want to lose, right? Because you lose some of your human health. So when we look at the microbiome, we have a lot in our digestive track and there are several ways that that impacts skin health specifically.

But what I also tell people is we have bodies on our skin, right? And you talk about this extensively in your book as well and you know, per square inch of who we are. We were about 6 billion buddies, right? These little PROAC buddies. So what I like to say is it’s the new fashion statement, right? For, for this year coming out is where your buddies and you know, using personal care products that take care of them as well as your diet. When we think about that internal out of the buddies. So you know what I think is fun when we look at things, if we go to the digestive practices, lack d and She helps us digest our food and I’ll pull out buffy to Buffy is really important or Aka bifidobacterium, but these two, you know, there’s a of different studies that look at how they help us with our tolerance, right?

And they actually make digestive enzymes and they allow us to say things that are nutrients for us to not overreact to them, allow them to come into the bloodstream, be used properly. And you know, that also reflects on our skin, right? It’s like our skin is really the way that we can see what’s happening in the digestive track. It’s an outward expression of something that’s happening internally, which you explained again so well in your book. Um, so, you know, another thing that’s super interesting because there’s a lot of talk about the buddies and our immune system function is when Kiddos are born and you know, they’re, they’re a little baby buddies are developing and growing, right? One of the things that they do is they interact with are macrophages which are really important of you system cells. And what I like to save the buddies, kind of hug the macrophages and give them a lot of love and you know, teach them good manners and how to act properly.

And those macrophages are founded. All of our tissues all over our body. And if we have problems with our buddies that live in our belly, we can have problems with are macrophages and how they interact and you know, they kind of have bad manners are they overreacted, different things. And one of the areas we can see that is with skin, right? We see skin inflammation, we see all kinds of different autoimmune issues that come up over time. So, you know, the buddies are our literally our best friends for life. Like you were going to summarize it is like they are the key, you know, you take care of your buddies and your buddies will take care of you throughout your entire life.

Dr. Cates:               Yeah, absolutely. And you know, when you’re talking about educating kids and adults too, we are, we’re, we’ve definitely been a very Germaphobic society, right? And that there is a lot of education in schools of keeping everything clean and you don’t want to get a cold. So you were using. People were recommending hand sanitizers and sprang off all of the school. Um, everything with, with um, cleaning agents that sterilized and using bleach and even in people’s homes doing that, how do we create this balance of that because because of so many years of having this approach and I know that doctors are trying to be more careful about prescribing antibiotics and there’s definitely a big movement in that, in that something that came up with an integrative dermatology conference that we need to be more careful with, with antibiotics and even in dermatology and, and, but it’s been happening for so long and this conversation’s been happening for so long about germs being bad and the war

Sarah Morgan:    against germs. And now what you’re talking about is almost, it almost sounds like the opposite and I know it’s not, but how are you, how are you dealing with that? Yeah. So, you know, that’s what I want to do is help America and the world fall in love with the buddies, right? Because we really need. If we look at the context in our history, the 20th century was all about this idea of like bacteria is bad and we have to read it from the human body. And that this was the time of, you know, typhoid fever and we had all kinds of different infectious diseases that really impacted the population. You know, we look at the development of penicillin, it’s discovery and how many soldiers lives it saved in world war two. But what we didn’t realize was the deadly consequences that antibiotics have on our probiotic buddies because we didn’t know about the buddies, right?

We had no clue. So it was just this like let’s identify the Badger, we get rid of it and then everything’s fine. Well, the issue is now in 21st century, you know, where we’re at today, we realize we’re more bacterial than we are human. And you knows the gene quaint. I love jeans, right? It’s super fun to geek out on that stuff. But the reality is humans, we have like 20,000 genes and the buddies have 10 million and you know, they’re regulating most of our gene expression and what’s happening for us as humans. And so we have to rethink everything in terms of the medications that we use. You know, you bring up antibiotics and we know no one course, you know, impacts our bodies negatively for up to a year, right? Like, that’s really significant. And some research shows maybe we lose some types of buddies forever, um, when we use courses of antibiotics, but there’s a lot of other medications, right?

That also impact the buddies. And this is a study that came out of, you know, things that are, have nothing to do with antibiotics and aren’t even targeting bacteria that are impacting our microbiome negatively. So, you know, this idea of shifting things to bacteria really is our friend. Most bacteria that exists on the planet is friendly, right? And we’ve got to think about it. Like, again, they’re our best friends and we’ve got to make them engaging and fun. That’s why we worked so hard on like, this is what bifidobacterium looks like under a microscope, right? He’s got the two little when we examined these things, but we’ve got to kind of switch that even for Moms, right? Most of us were taught by our parents like wash your hands or be afraid of germs and there are bad germs, but the best way we fight the bedrooms is with our buddies and that’s the.

That’s the message that’s really been missed that thing. But again, I what I see and the reason I created this as a lot of this messages going over everybody’s heads, you know, and people are like, I don’t, I don’t understand it. What’s a. They don’t necessarily associate the microbiome or probiotics bacteria. Some people don’t even know there’s a connection there and maybe you know, people listening to your podcast or like, oh, I know that. Right? But what’s cool is keep in mind that somebody, maybe your neighbor you’re talking to or you know somebody you’re interacting with at work, they have no clue, right? So we’ve got to create a common language for all of us to understand this and really make it a value not only for us as humans, but also like our soil. Our soil has probiotic buddies, our skin. We got to think about that, like what?

Shampoo and soap and lotions and everything we’re using, how we’re caring for that, what are we sprayed on our crops and how is that impacting the buddies and our soil that some of that gets on our food, right? We want good buddies and our food because that’s one of the ways that we get that into our diet, into our lives and our exposure. So I tell people, I’m like, you know, even if you’re adult, it’s still a good idea to like go play in the dirt a little bit. Like the outside don’t be so clean. Right? And everything that we do,

Dr. Cates:               right. And I think it is, it is important to, like you said, there are bad bacteria, there are harmful bacteria. We definitely know that and it’s not that we’re trying to downplay this and that. The hygiene practices that we have in the United States and the western, you know, much of the world now that we have, um, better sanitation of clean water and sewage treatment. And although those kinds of things have helped us be able to put the bad bacteria away from, from where they are, like we don’t want certain bacteria entering our mouths, some, you know, they’re supposed to become an Arpu but not. And so we need to keep that where it’s supposed to be. The, the fear of bacteria is not all bacteria. So it’s good. I love that you’re educating people on the types of bacteria. So these are the good ones. And, and yes, there still are bad ones, but it’s not just all bacteria are bad. So helping identify that and to create a balance because of that though.

Sarah Morgan:    Yeah. So I want to share and what you’re, what you’re talking about makes me think of a recent study that came out. This is the silly for syllabus and bacillus in a recent study was shown to actually help with mercy, which is a very like antibiotic resistant type of bad germs or bacteria that’s commonly found in hospitals. And I don’t know if you saw the students is kind of alarming. It was in the UK, but they were talking about like the way that hospitals wash all their bedding and how it doesn’t get rid of c Diff, which is a bad term. So you know, people are going into these hospitals and if they don’t have good buddies right there, their immune systems are compromised. They don’t have as many, you know, I say the buddies make their home in your belly and if you don’t have a lot of those, that’s prime real estate for the bad germs.

Sarah Morgan:    Right? So people are more likely to actually pick up those infections in situations like that. So the number one thing you can do to safeguard yourself and really allow yourself to be healthy is really work on establishing good probiotic buddies in your life. Okay. So what are some of the ways that people can do that? Yeah. So the first one is food food first always right? And I like supplements, but supplements are always supplemental to a good diet and a good lifestyle. So you know, we want to eat foods that mother nature group, you know, and this isn’t a new message, but I want to add a little bit more of a spin to that and add some more research. One is we want to try to eat 25 different plant species a week in terms of diversity and you know, way we made this fun and easy to understand is in our book we’ve got a little tear out chart.

It’s a buddies and my value food chart and it has the rainbow of foods right from we’ve got red and orange and yellow and green and blue and the different days that week and kids and parents because a lot of people eat their vegetables. Let’s be honest. They can check it off, right? It’s Kinda like, oh I need to eat this but I need to eat it because it’s feeding my buddy. So the fiber in these plant foods is actually food for the buddies. They’re called prebiotics and you know, that’s a really important way that we feed our buddies and then we have a nice diversity, all these healthy buddies. Another thing I would say is eating organic, right? We’ve recently looked at some research studies, people who are eating conventional or traditional, you know, from the large farms in America, and they switched over to an organic diet and their pesticide load in their urine decreased by 90 percent.

So, you know, what I like to say is, you know, there are certain things that beat up the buddies too, right, that are bad for us as humans, but they’re also hurtful to the buddies. So eating local eating organic foods are transported as long the soils are healthier when we’re consuming, um, local foods and you’re going to get more of those, um, interesting. You know, diversity of your buddies when you’re eating. So that’s a big one. And then we actually have a free resource that’s kind of this idea of taking care of your buddies and we have a list of things that help the buddies and hurt the buddies. So on top of food, you know, we want to think about, okay, what feeds the bad germs, right? Like a super simple way. You’re talking to your friend, you know, you’re out at dinner. It’s like, am I going to order something for the buddies or you know, am I going to feed the bad germs tonight?

And you know, we think about processed foods that are founded boxes that doesn’t look anything like mother nature grew them. Um, and then sugar, right? Sugar feeds the bedrooms. And what I like to say is Candy, Aka Candida is the leader of the bedrooms and she loves sugar and she’ll eat up the buddies and kind of take over the scene, right? So we want to be really careful about those types of products. And then things like vitamin D really important. And even our water quality, right? We think about what we put chlorine in swimming pools to kill the bad germs, but we also put it in our water and that can even impact our good buddies, right? It’s one of those things people are like, oh my gosh, make the connection. Like, that’s super significant. Right? And then you can go a little bit deeper with your water quality.

You know, there’s, sometimes there are other contaminants that not only hurt your buddies, but you know, they impact your skin really significantly, um, where you can move to like purification, exercise. What I like to say, the buddies like to move to right there. They love movement and we see in research that outside of Diet, people who move regularly have healthier microbiome, they have better buddies, um, seamless sleep, right? What I like to say, Hey, the buddies get tired just like you get tired and they need rest as well. People who sleep better have good quality sleep, have better microbiome switch that’s just going to keep you healthier. Longterm, your brain health and your ability to detoxify. All these really, really important things. And another one’s stress, right? We have a lot of stress in our modern world and this factor is true with our kids too, right?

They have a lot of stress and that stress comes from things like, you know, emotions, our mental stress, you know, things that are job and um, maybe family stress, things like that that come up. But we also have chemical stress, you know, that we’ve talked about like pesticides, we want to kind of go what I like to say, deacon mode for a second. We know that roundup, the active compound in roundup, glyphosate depletes plants and the soil of manganese, which is a trace element. Well, when we consume those foods that have these pesticide residuals, we become manganese deficient. I see it all the time when I do labs on people and lacked d is absolutely dependent. Lactobacillus strains are dependent on manganese to live in the digestive track and, you know, thrive there. Well, what are some of the lactobacillus species? Do they help us break down gluten and dairy? Uh, so it’s like, wow, maybe we can. We’re making some connections here. That can be really significant. Um, so, you know, what I like to say is we need to get outside. We need to laugh when you get some sunshine, sleep well and eat good food as mother nature and slow down for me to write. So many times we’re like golf and food, like a snake, eating a mouse, not nibbling and taking our time, which is a super simple but very important thing in that process.

Dr. Cates:               Yeah. And I know you mentioned chlorine and water as something in environmental that impacts us are drinking, drinking water. There are also other things in our environment too, right? That are going to kill off the bacteria and our homes. A lot of things that we’re using in our homes and yeah, besides just the chlorine. Right?

Sarah Morgan:    Absolutely. And that’s, you know, that’s something too, it’s like you talk about this so much and it’s such a good message of what we put on us is absorbed into us and that those are things that go throughout our bloodstream and circulate. We have a microbiome in our eyeballs, right? We have the Harvard just announced that we have as women, we have a microbiome that are breast and they’re looking at that as it relates to breast health and breast cancer risk. And you know, we have buddies literally everywhere. So yes, all these things that we’re doing, you know, what we’re interacting with in our homes, plays a huge role in the health of our bodies. And then our human health, again, it comes back to like the things that we feel and what we’re suffering,

Dr. Cates:               right? I think it’s really interesting to think about what we do on a daily basis and the practices that we’ve been doing for so long that we don’t even think about like using a dishwasher and I’m looking, there’ve been studies looking at hand washing versus using a dishwasher even if you’re using ecofriendly soap and how that is great at killing off the bacteria. But um, we’re, we may actually be overdoing it. And so even something like that. I mean, any thoughts on some of these habits that we have of super hygiene practices? No.

Sarah Morgan:    Yeah, I think we just need to like, let kiddos get a little dirty, right? And us to like not be so afraid of that. You know, they’ve done some pretty cool studies about kids that actually wash dishes. It’s like, Oh, do they do that? Does anybody do that anymore? They have a much lower risk of asthma and allergies and a lot of it has to do with just their interaction with their environment, you know, and taking it up another level. Something I tell people, I have chickens, I have backyard chickens and you know, something that’s really interesting when we think about just things that we can do in our homes as well as have animals, you know, dogs and chickens. Like I go out and I interact with my chickens. All these different animals that we have. They actually help us pass microbes, you know, we share microbes.

If we look at other cultures, like indigenous cultures, they interact with their environment so much more and they’re not as scared of, you know, some of these tribes are even using dried poop to burn, you know, and cook their food right over a fire. And they’ve looked at people who’ve lived in modern world right in the US. And then they go over there, they look at their buddies before and then they look at their buddies after they’d been over there for a few months and it completely changes what, what this colonizing cause they’re getting good exposures, right? So we have to realize again, it’s like most of the things that we’re touching and interacting with a really our buddies and not bad germs and it doesn’t need to be scary.

Dr. Cates:               Right? Yeah. And I think that when people are in an optimal state of health, it’s a lot easier for our bodies to repo the bad bacteria and continue to grow the good bacteria. When we don’t have the good bacteria, as you mentioned, it’s so much easier to pick up those bad bacteria have so much of a, a more harmful effect on people. That’s why it’s, it’s, it’s challenging on hospitals because you’ve got sick people going in there that don’t have a balanced microbiome and they, they’re, they’re more susceptible. And so it’s, it’s really unfortunate that, that, um, that we’re kind of putting people in an environment where they’re the superbugs. And I’m not saying that people should avoid hospitals, but I’m just saying we’ve got a problem on our hands, so we need to look at longterm solution for and, um, to, to be aware of and the importance of starting wherever you are with your health and, and so that you don’t wait until you’re sick and hospitalized to look at these things. But let’s start doing this now. And let’s, I love that you’re educating parents and children on this so that we can, we can, the society going forward can be healthier.

Sarah Morgan:    You know, as you say that it makes me think of this as strappy I did struck me on purpose. A lot of people are familiar with Strep, these evil twin sister with strep throat, right? And what’s really interesting is good. Streptococcus is very common to find in our ear, nose, and throat. And we know that good forums of streptococcus can even help, um, a lot of viruses attaching our nose. That’s actually how we get sick. So I tell people, when you’re traveling, you know you’re a gate, you’re nose, right? Use some things, the little saline sprays, different things where you can keep that, um, but same with your infections, you know, we see that and our oral health, right, even as it relates to cavities are dental health of the body’s, plays a huge role in that in our nasal microbiome is actually being studied and things like Alzheimer’s because if you’ve got more bad germs in your nose and they’re kicking off all these garbage products that are kind of polluting your tissues, that goes right to your brain. So you know, some of the top autism, the researchers for awhile has said, hey, we know that somethings impacting the brain tissue really close. Like we think it’s through the nose and this is where they’re leaning into a lot of really interesting research right now. So you know, you’ve got buddies in your nose too. They’re really important for your overall health, including how you think and feel as it relates to your brain.

Dr. Cates:               Yeah, it is. And as more research is coming out at Baptist and we learn more about the bacteria and all the different strains, the different types, like you mentioned strap. And I wonder if, if it’s going to be the kind of thing where we’re going to see a lot of changes in naming and medicine or not, probably shouldn’t be calling it strep throat anymore. We should be calling it something else because they’re strapped that are good, right? It’s not all strep aren’t bad. So when we’re giving this a misunderstanding him and they’ve, they’re renaming, you know, they’ve renamed p acne bacteria because it’s not all, not all creating back end. It’s not all creating acne. So there’s, there’s a lot of change I think we’re going to see happen in medicine as a result of what we’re learning in the research. So the microbiome is,

Sarah Morgan:    you know, creating a paradigm shift in modern medicine and a really cool way.

Dr. Cates:               Yeah. Well thank you so much for coming onto a. tell everybody where they can find your book, find out more about your information.

Sarah Morgan:    Yeah, absolutely. So buddies in my belly.com is our website and then um, all of our stuff, it can be found on Amazon as well.

Dr. Cates:               Okay. Thank you so much again for coming on. Appreciate it.

Sarah Morgan:    Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much.

Dr. Cates:               I hope you enjoyed this interview today with Sarah Morgan and get some tips on how to communicate this information about good bugs and bad bugs, whether it’s for yourself and better understanding it or maybe it’s for somebody else, maybe it’s a child in your life or children in your life or other people that you want to spread this message to in a way that’s easy to understand, so to learn more about what she’s been offering in her book, you can go to the spa Dr. Com, go to the podcast page with her interview and you’ll find all the information and links there and while you’re there I invite you to join the spa doctor community so you don’t miss any of our upcoming shows and if you haven’t done so already, I highly recommend you go to these skin quiz.com to get your personalized skin report. It’s free. Just takes a few moments. Find out what information you’re skin is trying to tell you about your overall health and what you can do about it. Just go to the skin quiz.com. Also, invite you to join me on social media, on facebook, pinterest, twitter, instagram, and Youtube, and join the conversation and I’ll see you next time on the spot Dr. podcast.