Today we’re talking about food cravings and emotional eating. We’re right in the middle of the holiday season, so it’s such an important topic to cover. And, if you’re watching this after the holidays, there are still some great tips to help address emotional eating and get your glowing skin and health back.
My guest today is Melissa Kathryn. She is a Certified Holistic Nutritionist, Weight Loss and LifeStyle Expert, Emotional Eating Coach, Hypnotherapist, International Best Selling Author and Speaker. As the Owner and Founder of Melissa Kathryn Inc., a holistic weight loss and lifestyle practice for women, Melissa is dedicated to freeing women from dieting, emotional eating and self-sabotage cycles, making peace with food, themselves and their bodies. This results in effortless weight loss, so they thrive in life in a body they love. Melissa has been a featured TEDx speaker, an expert guest on New York Live, The CW, and a writer for publications such as Real Simple, Mind Body Green and Shape Magazine.
On Today’s podcast Melissa shares some very practical tips to help you curb cravings and make peace with food. So please enjoy this interview…
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| Trevor: | Hi there I’m Doctor Trevor Cates. Welcome to the Spa Doctor Podcast. Today we’re talking about food craving and emotional eating. We’re right in the middle of the holiday season right now. It’s such an important topic to talk about. If you’re watching this after the holidays, there’s still some great tips to help address emotional eating and get you your glowing skin and health back. |
| My guest today is Melissa Kathryn. She’s a certified holistic nutritionist, weight loss and life style expert, emotional eating coach, hypno therapist, best selling author and speaker. Melissa is dedicated to freeing women from dieting, emotional eating and self sabotaging cycles, making peace with food, themselves and their bodies. This results in effortless weight loss, so they can thrive in a body they love. | |
| Melissa has been featured as a Tedex speaker, an expert on New York Life. The CW and a writer for real simple Mind Body Green and Shape magazine. On today’s podcast, Melissa shares some very practical tips to help curb cravings and make peace with food. Please enjoy this interview. Hey Melissa it’s great to have you on my show. | |
| Melissa: | I’m so excited to be here, it’s going to be great. |
| Trevor: | This time of year, it’s a holiday season and people are concerned about the foods they’re eating. They’re craving things, because they’re all the sweets out there, all of the foods that we’re supposed to be staying away from. They’re out in full force. That’s what I want to focus on today. Love to get your take on the holiday season. |
| Melissa: | This is especially just the holiday season in general, this time of year, we have so much additional stress on our already very busy plates. Those temptations are at a all time high and more times than not we’re skipping on sleep. We go from being somewhere in our priority list of personal and health, our goals for ourselves to the bottom of the list, if even on the list at all. That just keeps us in that space of feeling even more depleted and cravings are at an all time high and our defense around them is at an all time low. |
| Areas and different tips for combating that, that I really love are one, the more that you can and I just said this yesterday, that quote fail the plan, plan to fail. You have to go into every situation with some sort of strategy and really looking at it, instead of what, am I giving up, what am I gaining. Making yourself a priority is going to mean that you are going to be a better person for your family, for your work and for yourself. | |
| I think that that’s something that easily goes by the waste side when we’re like, “We’re just so frantic, taking care of everybody else and everything.” We seem to think that, okay we’ll just take care of them. That’s one of the things that I always share with my clients and I tell them that, when you’re really present and you’re feeling good and you’re happy, then you’re giving 100% of yourself to the people that mean the most in your life. | |
| That’s really what you want your holiday memories around. Number one, really have a strategy and the best strategy is … Get that self care when you can. A big thing that I always stress is do what you can, when you can, where you can. That’s from fitness to eating healthy, to taking naps. Just moving more in general. Even just doing that breathe work and things as simple as meditation. There’s that connotation that we have to have so much time. I need an hour in the gym. I need to do a 20 minute meditation. I need to do all of this food prep and it goes back to that all or nothing mentality. | |
| That all or nothing mentality is the number one thing that you don’t want to have going into the holidays, because you won’t do anything and then you’re going to feel worse and come to New Years and your pants are going to be tighter. You’re going to be exhausted and you’re going to want to go into a full detox and cleanse, instead of just really feeling good and showing up for you the whole way through. | |
| Trevor: | I love that. I think it’s so important to think about all these things and think about why you’re doing it and plan ahead and that you don’t have to make it some big elaborate thing. Doing simple things. What are some of the simple things that we can do? How we can keep it, so that we can make time for all of this? Including all the shopping and the family and the travel? |
| Melissa: | One, look at where and don’t kill me everybody, but look it, can you get up a little bit earlier? Can you do ten minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes earlier for yourself, so that you can get your workout in. Where are you not being as smart with your time? For instance, this time of year I’m running around like a crazy person, so I moved my workouts to be workouts, that I do them at home, as opposed to driving to the gym, because my drive to the gym is 20 minutes. I’m like, “Okay, right then and there I’m shaving off 40 minutes that I get for myself.” There’s so many free workouts that you can do, that you can do in your home. |
| When can you incorporate your family more and as women in particular … This is for men too, but as women in particular, we have this tendency to go, “Oh I’ve got it. I’ll just take care of it.” Nobody can do it better than you. Where you can delegate and outsource? That’s with your job. That’s with your family. Starting getting your kids involved. Ask your spouse to help. Lean on friends, lean on family. You don’t have to super woman. You can get these things done. | |
| Another great thing and I think for different generations it’s like, “Move to online shopping guys.” Make this really easy. Instead of the wrapping station, where you’ve got piles of presents, that you think you need to be like Santa’s workshop. Just get it gift wrapped, or just get those giant bags and throw it in. Where can we start to just make smarter things and lose the perfectionist mentality around all of this. | |
| Again do what you can, where you can, when you can. That takes off this I need to be perfect. I need to lose weight through the holiday season and I need to be Mrs Clause for everybody and I need to do this and have everything perfect. Once you just take that pressure off, then you can actually enjoy the holiday. Your family is going to love you that much more for that and you’re going to be so much happier in the process. | |
| The big takeaway, is really get out of the all or nothing mentality. Have a strategy. Look at where you can get up earlier. Look at where you can outsource. Do what you can where you can. Start batching things too. Sunday food prep is something that I do. Don’t overwhelm yourself with that, but if you can just start to look at and go, “I just want to have some things ready for myself that I can grab and go, because this time of year’s there’s always unhealthy treats around. | |
| Your office, there’s the chocolate bowls and everybody is bringing in baked goods. Have things on hand. Have Crudités, if you know that you’re a stress eater, an emotional eater. Emotions are at an all time high and like I said cravings are higher, because we’re not getting as much sleep and we’re stressed. We like to nosh. That’s really one of the those things that I call like a head craving. We like to just crunch. You don’t need the extra calories. | |
| Put the chocolate bark down, put the chocolate covered nuts down and the pretzels down and go for Crudités, Hickman sugar snap peas. Apple slices with nut butter. Hickman guacamole, cucumber slices with sea salt. All of these things are more nutrient dense, calorie deficient. What you’re really not wanting are … You really aren’t hungry. If you are hungry then sit down and have a meal and just take a moment to eat undistracted, so that your mind can actually register that you’ve eaten something, so that you’re not just running around like, “I didn’t eat anything all day.” Then you go and eat this massive meal at night. Then you add it all up and you’re like, “I ate a lot of high calorie, lacking in nutrient snacks all around.” | |
| That’s where we end up going, “I don’t understand what happened. How did I put on these extra pounds.” Because you don’t actually feel like you’ve eaten much, because you haven’t sat down and given yourself the honor of the time to just eat. Just give yourself that. It really doesn’t take long to eat a meal, when we’re doing it undistracted and we can just sit there and really think about nourishing yourself in that moment. | |
| Trevor: | Yeah, those are great tips. I think it’s so important to plan ahead and to have things that are really easy, because in today’s world we have everything at our finger tips. We have fast food everywhere around us. You can grab a quick snack anywhere and it’s so tempting to do that. If you make it just as easy with a little bit of prep like you’re talking about. |
| I like the idea of doing it on Sunday, having a specific day. This is my day to prep things. I do it a few times a week, so that every time I go to the grocery store, I come home and I’m like, “It’s night time. I got some time to do this.” I prep things, just to make it easy. Sometimes I’ll even put little separate containers, so I can just grab it when I’m walking out the door. | |
| I think those kinds of things are great. How do you feel … I know some people say, “Just stay away from the cookies. and those kinds of things.” Other people say, “Have a little bit, or make you own and cut it with stevia.” What are your tips around that? | |
| Melissa: | I have a severe sweet tooth. I love mint, I love peppermint candy canes, dark chocolate, I love it all. What I will tell you is, I have a policy where I say, “If it’s not a hell yes, it’s a hell no.” How many deserts have you gone up and you’re like, “That looks amazing.” Then you go and take a bite and you’re like, “Not that good.” But you finish it anyway, because it’s on your plate, or there’s a lot of this food guilt. Somebody in your family made it, or a co worker, so you feel like you need to keep eating it. No you don’t. You don’t eat anything. If it’s not a hell yes, it’s a hell no. |
| Another thing that I want to tell you is, never put something off limits. When we tell our minds, I’m not going to eat the cake, your subconscious mind doesn’t understand the words no or not. What it hears is, I’m going to eat the cake. That’s why your mind … You feel like … You’ll go into your house and be like, “I’m not going to the kitchen right away. I’m going to go do this.” All of a sudden you’re standing in front of the fridge eating. | |
| You’re going, “How did I get here?” It’s almost like your body went on auto pilot, because your mind is bringing you there. The subconscious mind is extremely powerful. Please don’t put anything off limits. This is one of the things where my clients come back and they’re like, “That was a God sent that you told me that, because since I have the permission, I didn’t rebel against myself.” | |
| I often talk about that. In my book Eat Right for your Archetype.” There’s four different archetypes and one of them is the rebel. There is that piece in your, like inner child still … If you think about it, when you tell a little child you can’t have this soda. They’re like, “Mommy can I have soda.” “You can’t have soda.” “Mommy I want have soda.” “You can’t have soda.” They just keep coming back and then sometimes parents just break down. They’re like, “Oh God just have the soda.” The child ends up finding a way. They either go to a friend’s house an they will binge on a big thing of Pepsi. | |
| We are literally like eight year olds. We’re sitting there making these decisions. Don’t put anything off limits. Go in and just say, “You can have what you want within reason.” If you really want it, if you’re sitting there with something at the end of the night. Just go, “You know what? Trevor I can have that in the morning if I really want it, but right now I’m full and if I want it I can have that cake for breakfast.” | |
| Give yourself that and when you go to these parties, go in with a strategy of, if it’s not a hell yes, then it’s a hell no. I’m going to make a small plate. I’m going to really assess how I feel. I’m not going to be a vulture around the buffet table. I’m going to have small portions and really go back and see how I’m feeling. When I talk about the vultures I always say this, because as a dieter, when … A former dieter I should say. You can tell the vultures, because they are more connected to the food then they are to the people. They’re more about the food then they are to the experience and being at a holiday party. | |
| You can tell, because they constantly are going back around the food and trying everything and they’re not really connected to themselves and do I need any more food and what is it I’m wanting? When you go into those holiday situations, if it’s not a hell yes, it’s a hell no. Have small portions. Tell yourself you can go back and you can have everything within limits of, whether or not you’re hungry. If it’s not good, please don’t finish it. No one cares. Go for the vegetables. Go for guacamole. Go for shrimp cocktail, Civeche. Any of your lean proteins, shrimp and chicken skewers. Salads, veggie dishes, as opposed to the creamy sauces. Go for some nuts and cheeses and really see how you feel after those, as opposed to going for the carb heavy, a lot of sauces and creams and decadence. | |
| You want to go for those in the lesser amounts, because they’re also going to fill you up and they are higher in calories and not as nutrient dense. You really want to think about nourishing yourself from the inside out. I always tell clients, just ask yourself before you go to a situation, how do I want to feel at the end of this meal? How do I want to feel at the end of this night? Do I want to go to bed feeling proud of my choices? | |
| If I’m overly stuffed that doesn’t feel good. Everything you do should be about really feeling good with you. | |
| Trevor: | Right and then the next day or a few days later, the people also got the pimples from all the sugar and the creamy sauces and all that. Those were the big triggers for acne breakouts. Then also people tend to have eczema or psoriasis, those flare up with a lot of these foods that we’re talking about, with sugar and gluten and really going overboard with that. People are going … In the end you’re going to notice it. It’s going to show up on your skin too. |
| I want to go a little bit deeper here. Let’s talk about some of the emotions that cause us to … The emotional stuff that triggers us to want to over eat and what we can do about that, because I think that’s really big this time of year too. | |
| Melissa: | It’s huge. There’s two types of craving that I really talk about. There’s the head and a heart craving. A head craving comes from, it’s really more around stress. It’s when we feel a lack of control. Often times this categorized and procrastination, that bewitching hour at 4:00, when we’re just wanting to move about. We’re like, “I feel like I’m hungry. I need a coffee break, I need something.” We’re going into the kitchen, or we’re going into the office kitchen, or again we’re going out for a break. |
| Head cravings again come from stress and anxiety. This time of year, that’s really at an all time high and that’s where we want those crunchy foods. We just want to feel like we’re taking control of something. What I will often tell people is, under this head craving, really ask yourself … There’s four pertinent questions. You want to ask yourself am I really hungry right now? More times than not, so you want to assess your hunger on a scale of one to ten. Ten being I’m going to eat my arm. One being not at all. | |
| You really want to be in that seven to eight range and that’s when you’re hungry. It’s like, “Okay, I want to eat something.” If not, then we’re not really hungry. You have an emotional craving. That’s when you want to go, “Okay am I really hungry right now? No. What’s going on in my life right now? I have this project that I have to get done. I have a ton on my plate. I feel like I have no help. I’m overly exhausted. I don’t know what to do right now and I just feel like I need to something, but there’s too much coming at me and it’s overwhelming. | |
| Okay, is food going to solve the problem? Is it going to take you further or closer from your … It’s going to keep you away from your goal or take you closer to it? Is food going to solve the problem? What can I do instead? Often times what I will tell my clients is, what you’re really wanting in this moment is to take control. You want to feel a sense of control over an otherwise overwhelming, anxiety ridden stressful situation. How do we ease that? | |
| Instead of just eating and adding to it, which is only going to be a way of numbing out and then beating ourselves up, so then we can get distracted with feeling bad, so then we actually continue to not actually action the things that we want to do to make ourselves feel better. Now we’re over in a state of drama of, I can’t believe I just did that? I just bla, bla, bla. Then we’re in a whole another mess. That just takes us away and it’s another way of distracting us from the very thing that we really need to do. | |
| Instead ask yourself, what is something that I can do to feel in control? What is one action step that I can take right now? Maybe it’s picking up the phone. Maybe it’s outsourcing for help. Maybe it’s getting up and going for a walk to clear your head, to ground back into you. Maybe it’s sending that email that you haven’t sent that’s weighing on you, or having that uncomfortable conversation, that’s still looming, that’s really the thing that’s driving you to want this food. In a situation ask yourself, where can you start to take control? Go through those four questions. | |
| The other category that really is the underlying when it comes to emotions and eating and is the heart craving. The heart craving really comes from a lack of fulfillment. This is a tricky one and the foods that you generally want, so in that head craving, you want pretzels, crunchy like tates, chocolate chip cookies, like the crunch, granola, cereal, popcorn, trail mix, crudites. You might be an excessive gum chewer. All of that, it’s under the head craving. | |
| The heart craving is from a lack of fulfillment and that’s when you want smooth and creamy things. That can be ice cream, cheeses, yogurts, things that are savory and more decadent in nature. These often times will go back to memories from childhood as well, where we have something where we felt really comfortable and safe. In our lives … That’s where the ice cream, the cakes, the different things. I can give a scenario to help you with that. | |
| Generally again, you want to go back to, what is it that I’m feeling in this moment. It can be sadness, loneliness, boredom, heart ache, lack of fulfillment within yourself, within your career, within your relationships. It goes deeper. This is where people really like to numb out. They’ll often go to meats and then that sugar gets in, that sugar addiction. You have one and you want more. Sugar is more addictive than cocaine and heroin. You constantly are wanting it. | |
| Going back to those four questions. Am I really hungry right now? What’s going on in my life right now? Is food going to solve the problem? What can I do instead? What I tell people in this scenario, like I have a client where everyday she wanted this chocolate baked good. We got really aware of it and she just said to me, “Melissa I’m so aware. We’ve been doing this work. I get it, but I still can’t stop myself from going to get a chocolate brownie, or a croissant, or something that has chocolate.” | |
| We dove deeper into it and it was her mother and her used to on Sundays, always make a chocolate cake and then they’d bake it and eat a slice together. She had move to New York City with her fiancee and she was missing her family terribly. She didn’t really have an ongoing connection, like she missed just being around her mom and having her mom down the street. We started, one she booked vacations to go home and two, we stated doing Face Time calls, so that she was more connected to her family and she also expressed this to her fiancee how challenging it was, so she didn’t feel so alone and isolated. | |
| Often times those foods, we’re eating them excessively and we’re wanting them more this time year, because maybe we lost a loved one and or we’re away from home, or we’re desiring this connection, or we don’t have it even though … We don’t feel it even though we have kids and this amazing spouse, but we’re not really loving to ourselves. This does dive deeper, but really ask yourself, what is it I’m wanting that food to do for me and where I’m not doing it for myself. It is something, it’s a cognoscente, you really need to dive deeper, but the best thing that is there, ask yourself those questions. In that moment say, “What can I do?” | |
| Often times it’s deep self care, connecting with a loved one, getting out of isolation and doing something really loving for yourself. | |
| Trevor: | Yeah, I love that. It is true that we reach for foods for these emotional reasons, that a lot of us are not even aware we do it mindlessly. It’s part of our culture. A lot of times it’s part of families like you mentioned. I know a lot of families come together around food and that’s one of the … |
| Melissa: | That’s we do in my house. We still do. |
| Trevor: | Food helps … It’s like a way of showing love, so we connect that together and when we’re not feeling the love, then we reach for food sometimes. What we really need is to connect with people. In today’s world where we do so much online and people are working from their homes, or they’re working in isolation, they’re not connecting as much with people, so people start to feel that emptiness. I think during the holidays, there’s some of those emotions from past trauma, or loneliness or whatever it is, can leave us with that empty feeling right? |
| Melissa: | Yes very much so and that’s where you … You do … It’s a simple question, what is it I’m wanting this food to do for me? I have to say, this is what I specialize in with clients and the disordered eating and how we … Emotions too as well. I know for myself, I didn’t think I was an emotional eater. I was like, “I’m dieter. I’m just like every other girl, what do you mean?” When I realized how much I was using food … I always say, “Where there’s lack you’ll fill the gaps with food.” This time of year, there’s a lot of gaps that come up, that we feel and we turn to food to fill them. |
| We don’t even really realize what a big role food starts to play in our lives and it’s no longer just fuel. It ends up taking on a human form. We don’t realize it that way, but food is the friend that was there for you when you were little and maybe you went through … Your parents got divorced, or somebody said something to you and you didn’t understand it, or there was some sort of trauma and it didn’t feel good. You turned to food, because you couldn’t express yourself. | |
| Then as we get older that food is till very present and we go through stages if dieting and not dieting and dieting and not dieting. I always say to people, “You’ve been struggling with your weight for more than a year. You don’t have a weight issue, there’s a food issue and it’s a food relationship that you haven’t let go of yet.” It’s just really about recognizing those gaps and then going through the process of filling them, by making your life and you that much fuller and richer and then you don’t need the food in that same way. I hope that was helpful. | |
| Trevor: | Absolutely and I still think it’s a beautiful thing for families to get around a table and celebrate together and to come together around food. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I want to reiterate that, because I don’t want people to misunderstand that. It’s not like we avoid the dinner table around holidays or anything. |
| Melissa: | No, my God no. When I go home my family … You know food … I’m half Italian, half Irish, food is love. That’s a beautiful thing. What I often say to people though and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s not about making food no longer enjoyable or never eating anything that you enjoy. I love me some cake. I love my mint chocolate chip ice cream. I like my candy canes. I eat things that I want when I want them, but they have no bearing on my self worth. They have no bearing on my happiness. It doesn’t mean anything if I eat cake. I don’t get upset with myself. It’s not derailing me for days. |
| There’s that difference. Especially around this time of year, you also just want to notice too, when we’re stressed and we’re just grabbing at things, we just need that energy. One thing you had asked me about Trevor was, what are simple ways to combat those cravings. Simple things that I just love, because it is about enjoying the food. It’s about enjoying the people and the holidays. You don’t want to not have … That’s why I say never put things off limits. | |
| Also too, when you’re full then just go, “Okay, I’m full. I’m comfortable, but I’m still having this craving and I can’t stop.” Some things that are just helpful for that are … Really guys, I love tea this time of year. I mean there’s chocolate … Of course I go back to my mint here. There’s chocolate mint tea, there’s cinnamon teas. Mint tea will curb cravings. Ginger will help with digestion. Peppermint oil, putting a little bit of that in your water, or even on your tongue is going to help with cravings and cinnamon tea … There’s just these beautiful flavors. They’re very robust and that’s great. | |
| Coconut oil it another thing. Taking three teaspoons a day will help to curb your cravings. Even putting a little of that in warm water with a squeeze of lemon. That’s beautiful and it’s the only fat that’s automatically … That’s instantly converted into energy, instead of being stored as fat as in the body. It’s also great for your skin. That’s wonderful and then maca powder is another amazing super food in particular for women. Just having a teaspoon of that a day in your smoothie, in your oatmeal and you know this. I’m sure this is probably in your book that’s coming out that I can’t wait to read. | |
| That will curb your cravings. I just had one of my … One of the women in my dieting group and she was like, “Melissa I did the maca and I have no cravings anymore.” Those are just simple things and not only that, but they really are beautifying you from the inside out. They have a beautiful nutritional profiling to them. They’ll just make you feel really good. | |
| I also love just having almond milk, or coconut milk, or cashew milk, or any of those warmed at night with a little bit cinnamon. You can do a pack of Cedia, or you can make your own coco powder and doing the almond milk with fresh cacao and not definitely just like a little decadent treat at night. | |
| Trevor: | I love those tips. I drink a lot of tea, especially in the evening, because I notice that’s when I’m like, “Maybe I should go back in the kitchen and get one little [crosstalk 00:28:28] … No, I just need some tea.” I love Chai flavored kinds of teas, those warming spices. I add a little bit of coconut milk in there, so it’s creamy and it’s just delicious. Sometimes if I want something sweet I’ll put in a dash of stevia. My youngest daughter and I have been making hot coco kits, what you’re talking about to give out to people and with coco powder, raw cacao and the stevia and xylitol. |
| She’s like, “Can we just put some little organic marshmallows in there too.” I’m like, “Okay fine. We can put marshmallows in there.” I think that these are great tips. The mockaroo is really great at helping balance hormones. I think that’s one of the reasons why it helps with reducing cravings. It gives people a little energy boost, because of the effect on the adrenals that it has, as well as our estrogen and progesterone. | |
| That’s great, I love those tips. Tell people how they can learn more about you? Where they can find you? You mentioned a book. Tell us all about you. | |
| Melissa: | You can learn about me at melissakathryn. That’s K-A-T-H–R-Y-N.com, that’s my website and on there you can watch past videos. You can get resources. If you go under the resources guide I’ll have Trevor’s book up. Also my book is there and it’s called Done with Dieting. It identifies four different archetypes. Different forms of self sabotage. Ways that we get in our own way with wanting to lose weight and really achieve optimal health and feel really good and look amazing in our bodies. |
| The other thing right now, since this is … It’s airing right now, we have a healthy holiday challenge going on, where you get daily tips each day from me and an amazing exclusive Facebook community, recipes and workouts. It’s all free. If you just go to my website you can sign up for that and you can get it on the tips and they’ll take you straight to New Year. It’ll help you to really stay on track for having a healthy holiday season and really feeling and looking amazing, especially when the New Year comes around. | |
| Trevor: | Great I love that. We’ll put those links up on my website too. If people are driving listening to this, they don’t have to pull over and write that down. You can go back to my website and find those. Melissa thank you so much for joining us today and sharing these great tips and information with us during the holidays. |
| Melissa: | Thank you so much for having me. This is so fun. |
| Trevor: | Okay, happy holidays. |
| Melissa: | Happy holidays. |
| Trevor: | I hope you enjoyed this interview today with Melissa Kathryn. To learn more about Melissa and the site she mentioned during her interview, you can visit my website, the spadoctor.com. Go to the podcast page with her interview and you’ll see all the information and links there. Also while you’re there, I invite you to join the Spa Doctor community on my website, or subscribe to the podcasts on iTunes, so you don’t miss any of our upcoming shows. |
Reader Interactions
Great interview! The title of the book is “Eat right for your Archetype” though, not “Eat Right for your Architect”. And it is “maca” not “mocha” powder”:-)
Thank you Margaret for catching those in the transcripts. We’ll be sure to fix those!