Heavy Metals and Your Health with Christine Schaffner

Trevor:             Hi there. I’m Dr. Trevor Cates. Welcome to The Spa Dr. Podcast. Today we’re covering heavy metal exposure and how it impacts your health. My guest is Dr. Christine [Schaffner 00:00:16]. She is a board certified Naturopathic physician, graduated from Bastyr University. She is a clinical director of Sophia Health Institute. She also sees patients at the Marin Naturopathic Medicine Clinic in California, as well as the Bella Fiore Organic Med Spa and Clinic in Seattle, Washington. She is also co-host of the Heavy Metals Online Summit. In today’s interview, we discuss how you may be exposed to heavy metals, health conditions associated with heavy metal exposure, what causes some people to have more health issues than others, and how to effectively remove heavy metals from the body and restore your health. Please enjoy this interview.

Christine, it’s so great to have you on my podcast. Thank you for coming.

Christine:         Thank you, Trevor. Thank you. It’s an honor to be here.

Trevor:             Yeah. Absolutely. Today we’re talking about heavy metals. I know this is particularly important, that I found it in my practice in Park City, Utah. Being a mining town, I do find that there are quite a few people that have high levels of heavy metals in their bodies from exposure in the environment here. But I know it’s not just mining towns for this as an issue. This is becoming more of an issue for people around the United States, really around the world. I’m excited to be talking about this today, our thanks for coming on.

Christine:         Thank you. Thank you. I … We have a summit coming called the Heavy Metal Summit, which we’re so grateful that were able to speak on, and we really want to increase education about this important topic. I think people, their awareness is growing but they don’t think maybe it’s relevant to them, as you were mentioning with if they don’t live in a mining town, or have an acute exposure. Then how conventional medicine looks at heavy metal exposure and the way that they measure is very different that … In the way that we look at it as a naturopathic physician or functional medicine doctor. I think it’s a really important topic and I think it’s really relevant in the rise of chronic illness that we’re seeing.

Trevor:             Yeah. What do you find in your practice and just want you’ve … Looking at and research as far as rise in illness and how that’s related to heavy metals.

Christine:         Yeah. We see … I practice medicine outside of Seattle, Washington, at a clinic called Sophia Health Institute, and we see a lot of people really from all over the world and all over the country, we have this really unique experience where we’re seeing what has worked and what hasn’t worked. We’re typically seeing patients who have been struggling for unfortunately decades. We have this very unique niche practice where we’re always having to think outside the box. It always surprises me how many people maybe have heard of this but maybe not have done the appropriate treatment prior to coming to see us. I do think that this is a huge factor in the increase in neurological illness that we see. I know that this can apply to all chronic illness, but we have a little bit more of a specialty in neurological illness.

I think we’re seeing the rise of autism, right? I think early 2000’s it was one in 150 and I think around 2012, 2013, it’s now one in 68, and that’s growing. Then we also are seeing the rise in Alzheimer’s and dementia. I think about after age 65, one in 10 of our elderly are getting dementia. That’s a very scary and fear-producing diagnosis. I have more patients coming in, either they’re bringing their loved ones, their parents in, or they’re wanting to set themselves up so they don’t have dementia or Alzheimer’s. We’re seeing this rise in neurological illness. This is well documented. That’s what we’re seeing in practice. Then as naturopathic physicians, we’re always asking the reason why, right? I do believe this is a huge environmental … There’s a huge environmental cause to this. That’s what’s changing so rapidly. I think the heavy metals are a huge contributor.

Trevor:             Yeah. Absolutely. With them, these … There’s certainly a rise in neurological illness and there seems to be an association there, like you said. Also, autoimmune disease, a number different conditions that can be related to heavy metal exposure and toxicity. Also, our appearance as well. The aging process. We were talking before we started recording about collagen, right?

Christine:         Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Trevor:             Do you want to mention some about that too?

Christine:         Yeah. Absolutely. I think as we see our skin age, a lot of us are thinking about all the things that we can do to reverse this. I know that you’re a big proponent in collagen, and I think collagen is a great internal supplement and building block. When you take a step back and think about, “Okay, why is our collagen aging so rapidly?” A lot of these heavy metals are what we call sulfhydryl affinitive, and what that means is they love sulfur and will bind to sulfur in the body. Collagen is a huge sulfur containing molecule. We see that there can be stress and damage in our connective tissue, our collagen, and that can be related to heavy metals such as lead and mercury in the body. If you not only see aging skin, but also if you have pain and inflammation in the body, I’ve seen a lot of that clear up with appropriate heavy metal detoxification.

Trevor:             Right. Okay. It does affect us in so many different ways. We want to reduce our exposure to heavy metals. It’s also important to even find out if this is an issue for us, right? How do people know if they’ve been exposed to heavy metals besides looking at your history? Because it’s not always … To a certain extent we can look at a patient’s history and know if they’ve been exposed to it based upon where they’ve lived or their occupation or hobbies, but it’s not always just that anymore. Sometimes people have been exposed to things and we don’t even know where it comes from, right?

Christine:         Yeah. Absolutely. I’m biased, of course, but I think that we can all assume that we’ve had some level of exposure. You can do everything right in what you have control over now. You can eat organic food, you can make sure that you don’t have leaded paint. You can even decide to use a safe administration of vaccines, and you can still have an exposure in the environment. These are accumulative over time. What we see is … I just assume most people have a heavy metal exposure. Then we can look at the history. We look at vaccination history, we look at exposures occupationally. We look at dental history. Unfortunately dentists still place amalgam fillings in the mouth, and that can be a huge exposure to mercury. We really work with our patients to have safe dentistry and also biological dentistry to help remove them. We have a couple speakers talking about this, if you want to learn more at the Heavy Metal Summit.

I just assume that a lot of my patients who are coming in have some level of exposure. Then if you live in the West Coast, you’re breathing air from China that is full of methylmercury. You can’t really escape that. I think as you probably agree, Trevor, that we have to implement lifestyle practices that are going to support our organs of elimination and detoxification, and that’s going to keep us healthy. But we do have tests to look at heavy metals. Tests are imperfect because we can’t really get the full picture of the body burden, but you can absolutely do a number of tests to see if this is undertreated. We look at … We most often do two tests. We do what we call a urine provocation test. You want to do that under the guidance of a naturopathic doctor or functional medicine doctor. They will make sure that you’re strong enough and supported enough to tolerate what we call a chelation agent. A chelation agent is something that will bind and grab heavy metals.

Is usually binds to things like mercury, lead, arsenic. Then they will measure the urine. We use either DMSA, which is an oral capsule. We’ll use DMPS, which is an injectable, depending on our patient. And then we’ll have them collect their urine for about six hours. The whole theory of that is that in conventional medicine they’ll just look at your blood. They’ll draw your blood, they’ll do a blood lead level, and blood mercury level, and say, “Oh, if you don’t have that, you’re fine.” We know that you’d be really sick if you had circulating levels of lead and mercury and other metals in the blood, that the body very wisely puts them in different tissues to protect our organs. We unfortunately store lead in our bones or the metals that are creating the most havoc are deep inside the cell or in our brain. This is challenging to test for, but we absolutely can get a snapshot, and then we can decide where people are. We look at their minerals and then we look at their heavy metals, and come up with a individualized treatment plan.

Then we’re using also a unique technology in the office. It’s something called an OligoScan. The OligoScan uses principles of light. It’s used something called spectrophotometry. You just need to know your blood type, and then it’s literally a five second test where there’s different placements on the palm of your hand with light, and it looks at tissue, mineral, and metal resonance. Then we can look at people’s heavy metal status that way. It’s just a snapshot, but it seems to be very clinically relevant. We’re picking up a lot more aluminum in people. I feel like aluminum is a very potent neurological disruptor as far as a heavy metal. It creates a lot of brain inflammation, it can trigger autoimmunity. We’re in what one researcher called the age of aluminium in Europe, right? We’re just overexposed to this high level of aluminum. But going back to the testing, we have these challenge tests that we use urine, but some practitioners might use hair analysis or stool analysis. Then we have this unique technology that we’ve been using for a few years called the OligoScan.

I like that because you don’t have to do a chelating agent. It’s like a very good snapshot. We take all of that information. We the clinical presentation, we take history, and then we take these tests to formulate individualized treatment planned. Yeah. It’s hard to test for. You really definitely want to work with a provider who understands that and then if you do get … I just want to … The caveat if you do do the steps to do let’s say you called a urine provocation test and mercury doesn’t come back very high, or lead doesn’t come back very high, and you have a lot of symptoms, don’t rule that out. You actually might be in what we call a metal retention pattern, which is actually the people who are sicker. Basically we give an agent and they don’t release these metals. You just have to look at this with a lot of shades or gray. It’s not a black or white issue and that’s why I think there’s a lot of under-diagnosis and not as much importance placed on this really, I think, important topic.

Trevor:             Yeah. Absolutely. You’ve just covered a lot of great information. One of the things I want to remind … A couple things I want to remind people about that you said, and I just want to call attention to, is first thing is you want to be in a place where you could … If you’re [inaudible 00:12:07] a chelating agent and you want to, your body needs to be in a place where your body can handle it. I have seen people get really sick taking a chelating agent or having the chelating agent when their body’s not ready for that. I think that’s a crucial thing to be aware of. Hopefully the practitioner that … If you’re working with a practitioner, they’re going to be aware of that too. That’s one of the reasons why it is important to find the right practitioner.

That’s my other thing that I really want to call attention to, is who you work with is really key. Most doctors out there are not going to know what this test is or are not … The conventional doctors are not going to be doing this test. Like you said Christine, it needs to be a naturopathic physician or a functional medicine doctor. Somebody who’s been trained in this and understands how to know that a patient’s ready to do this test, and also support them, their body, during the process. Because when you use a chelating agent it can deplete the body too, and so you need to make sure you’re adding minerals back and that it’s being done in a way that supports the body, right?

Christine:         Yeah. Absolutely. In the summit we talk about not only chelation strategies but there’s a lot of practitioners who work with very sensitive patients, and have found alternative methods of detoxing the body without the use of chelation. Just that another caveat when people are thinking about their own health, never work with anybody who would give a chelation agent if you still have amalgams in your mouth. That is what is going to absolutely increase side effects and symptoms. That’s just one thing I just want to make sure people know. We’re not telling everybody to go and do this. You have to do this with a lot of support. How we’re trained, we’re looking at the whole body. We’re never just looking at the body isolation. Your health is an outcome of how well your organs of elimination are working. That will only translate into better health and also better skin, as you know, too.

Trevor:             Yeah. Yeah. We know that skin is a reflection of the health of the body, right?

Christine:         Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Trevor:             Let’s back up for a moment. I think we went over exposures really quickly, but I do want to go back to that, because I want people to think about in their own lives what the possible exposures might be. You mentioned amalgam fillings. If people don’t know if they have them, you can easily ask your dentist if you have any in your mouth, they can tell you really quickly. What are some … You also mentioned vaccines. Will you tell everybody what is it in vaccines that might give people exposure to heavy metals?

Christine:         Yeah. This is a big topic, and so we covered mercury. Mercury would be amalgam fillings. Also fish can be heavily concentrated with just the way food is set up, that fish can be very high in mercury. Those are going to be the everyday exposures that most people are going to have of mercury. We have definitely air pollution can also be an exposure to mercury. Then we’ve gotten a lot of mercury out of the vaccines. There used to be a preservative called thimerosal that was heavily used in vaccines as a preservative. Now I believe it’s just in the flue vaccine. Going into mercury we know is a neurotoxin, we know to avoid it. It’s unfortunate that the American Dental Association says that it’s safe.

It’s not safe. There’s been many studies. I’ve seen many people get well when we do appropriate measures to get this out of their body. Then there’s aluminum. Really aluminum we paid a lot of attention over the years, because aluminum is everywhere. It’s in our food. It can be in our water. It can be in our personal care products. It can be in our deodorants. It can be in our vaccines. Aluminum is an adjuvant. What an adjuvant means in a vaccine, it actually is part of why the vaccine works. That’s why it’s not as easily taken out of the vaccines. Aluminum hydroxide is usually the common agent in a vaccination. What that does is it stimulates the immune system to whatever the pathogen that we’re trying to mount an antibody response to.

We’re injecting aluminum into the skin, and that is going to actually bypass a lot of our natural protective mechanisms to prevent aluminum from going to places we don’t want. I know vaccines are really a controversial topic. Everybody has lots of opinions, but there’s a lot of science about how aluminum as an adjuvant is linked to brain inflammation, autoimmunity. This is not just alternative thought. There’s science, it’s just the science is having a hard time getting there out because this is such a charged topic. There’s a great … I just want people to have informed consent. There’s a great book called Miller’s Vaccines … I think it’s Miller’s Review of Vaccines. He goes through a lot of every part of the vaccine and what’s known, what’s not, so you can make educated decisions for you and your family.

Just going through exposures too, Trevor, we’re in this, I call it soup, this day and age. I often say, and Dr. [Pizzorno 00:17:27] also says in his lecture on the Heavy Metal Summit, “It’s like one plus one doesn’t equal two anymore,” right? Okay. We know aluminum is a neurotoxin. It can create autoimmunity, brain inflammation. We know mercury can do that. Then we put those metals together plus then the increasing exposure to herbicides and pesticides. Dr. Stephanie [Seneff 00:17:49] is talking on the summit, and she talks about glyphosate and how glyphosate is actually making these metals more potent, they’re accessing areas of the body that they probably wouldn’t in the presence of glyphosate. She talks about even glyphosate is a chelator, and glyphosate is the water supply in Flint, Michigan. We know that a lot of unfortunately young children were affected by lead in the water in Michigan.

She talks about how the glyphosate actually was pulled from the lead piping. Then also she talks about how glyphosate disrupts our microbiome and how maybe makes the mercury that we’re exposed to even more potent. I just want to share with our audience, I’m not in fear. I know all of this, you can think doomsday, but just feel empowered. Definitely do what you can, but it just puts all of this in context, because we see people, why are they do sick? It’s because it’s not just mercury, it’s not just lead, it’s not just aluminum, it’s not just glyphosate. It’s this synergistic effect that we’re all in this grand experience right now. We’re realizing it’s not working. We have to become really educated, empowered, and really speak with our inner values and choose great personal care products, like you’re creating. Just avoid what we can and make decisions that are going to be best for us.

Trevor:             Yeah. Absolutely. I think it’s important for us to talk about, too, with the exposures why our bodies can’t handle it. Why heavy metals are different than other toxins in our bodies. We talk about as naturopathic physicians, our bodies are very wise and they know what to do, but when it comes to heavy metals, what is the trick here? What is the big issue?

Christine:         It’s a great question. Each heavy metal is going to have a little bit of a different action in the body and it’s very vast. That’s why we’re learning all the ramifications of the heavy metals. Heavy metals are definitely harder. We have this natural detoxification process in our body, and I think of it in two ways. First of all, is the exposure greater than our body’s ability to eliminate? Again, it’s not just one thing. We’re asked to basically do the normal metabolic processes these days, and then we have a ton of endocrine disrupters that we’re exposed to. We have plastics, persistent organic pollutants. We have heavy metals, we have herbicides, pesticides. I also work with a lot of patients who have lime, and if you have an immune system that is taxed by a lot of what we call chronic infections, those infections can produce what we call bio-toxins. That’s going to overwhelm our detoxification pathways as well.

We’re up against a lot, and so we have a lot that we’re constantly trying to navigate through these days. Then metals have a high affinity for certain tissues. For instance mercury can get into the nerves and the nervous system, so they can get into what we call the microtubules in the neurons. Once they get in there, they’re very hard to get out. Once they’re embedded inside a neuron, it’s very hard to find. Our body is basically going to not be able to clear it on its own. Then it’s very hard to get an agent into a neuron or into the nervous system. Even our chelation agents that we have access to don’t cross the blood-brain barrier. You have to always be thinking about how to use effective strategies so then the body can basically alleviate the stress, and then the body can repair and rebuild on its own. Boyd Haley actually, he’s one of the speakers and our summit and he’s in the stages of developing a mercury detoxification agent that actually has a high affinity for the nerves and can get into the brain.

We’re all praying for this molecule, because once heavy metals like mercury get into the brain, they’re very hard to get out. It’s this … I think we’re just overexposed, so a lot of the things that our body innately knows how to do, it’s overwhelmed. We have this whole epigenetic influence, right? We might … I know there’s a lot of talk about genetics and it’s fascinating and we’re learning so much. I think there’s a lot of gold in there, but it’s our genes plus our environment. I think that’s creating a lot of things that should be working right, they go awry in the presence of these environmental toxicants. I know I’m going around this question, but it’s so multi-factorial but the way that I think of it is these agents are in us for really man-made reasons. Our body is still evolving and adapting how to really tackle this stress and needs assistance.

Trevor:             Right. Also with heavy metals, they don’t … Because of like you said, they can bind to nerves or different tissues in the body, they can get bound up and are hard for the body to release, right?

Christine:         Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Trevor:             Harder than maybe other toxins are. They can get into bone and they can get into storing up in the body where it’s not easy to eliminate these. They can also interfere with our nutrient absorption too, so then that causes more problems for our health and more challenges for recovery if we don’t get rid of the heavy metals. You touched on genetics. I do want to call that out. Can you explain to everybody why genetics plays such a big role in heavy metal toxicity?

Christine:         Yeah, absolutely. Dr. [Ben Lynch 00:23:47] is going to be on our summit as well, and he goes into the whole genetic picture. We’re learning more and more, this information is becoming a lot more affordable and accessible. It think we’re all trying to figure how to do make this most useful for our patients with the advent of a test that probably many people have heard of called 23andMe. We can kind of go and purchase our own genetic data and then figure out what to do with that. Genetics play a huge piece in a process, which we’re all trying to learn the most we can about, in a process called methylation. That’s just one piece of a really big puzzle. You can think of biochemistry as this interconnected wheel, right?

When one place is compromised, it has a whole ripple effect on [inaudible 00:24:34] system. A big process of what we call methylation is we look and see if we have certain enzymes that work well in helping convert certain vitamins and amino acids. That gets turned into … A lot of us talk about glutathione, right? Glutathione is a phase II antioxidant. What that means is it’s going to help our liver to bind and eliminate toxicity. If we are … We can look at this whole genetic story in the role of heavy metal detoxification, if we’re already coming into the world with maybe these enzymes aren’t working up to speed, then we’re going to probably have a harder time with the environment than the average person.

It’s not to make people feel bad, “Oh go, I have [inaudible 00:25:24]. I’m going to always be sick. I have to take this vitamin for the rest of my life.” It’s more like, “Okay, you have to just be more mindful of your exposures,” and in the context of a lead or mercury exposure, be mindful of certain pathways and then really focus nutritional support to help your body work well so it can detoxify naturally. It’s a huge topic. I love learning about it. Every time I think I know something about it, I learn that I have a whole other rabbit hole to go into. We’re all pioneering and figuring out how to use this in the context of effective treatment protocols, but I think it’s exciting. The more that we know in this world, the more we can individualize treatment.

Trevor:             Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It is very exciting. Okay. Great. I know that in the summit, people are going to be talking a lot about treatment, what to do about this. We’ve been spending a lot of time talking about where it comes from and how to find out if this is an issue for you, what health problems it causes, and genetics and all these different things. I know we can’t cover all of that in today’s interview, but can you give people a little bit of hope, a little bit of information on how this can be treated?

Christine:         Absolutely. Believe it or not, I’m very optimistic. Even though I work in this field I have a very optimistic viewpoint. I feel like there’s a lot of hope for the future, even though it can sound doomsday. I think there’s … We can break down, right? I think all of us need to be living a lifestyle detoxification. That is only going to help us reverse the chronic illness, help us with the anti-aging, help us prevent a chronic illness. When you’re looking in heavy metal detoxification, we look at how are our foundations, right? Are you drinking clean water? Do you have a good water filter that’s getting fluoride out of the water and pharmaceuticals out of the water and aluminum and other heavy metal out of the water? Are you eating great food? Are you trying to be as mindful as possible in a very challenged food supply in America? Are you trying to avoid genetically modified foods and eating organic? That’s going to be important.

Then air quality of course is going to be important, so making sure that your indoor air environment is going to be as healthy as possible. I see a lot of patients who get a little sick if they mold in their house and so we always look at that. Just foundations of health. Then sleep is huge. Sleep is one of the things that only … We know we feel better from a good night’s sleep, but it’s actually a critical process for our brain to detoxify. Sleep is absolutely critical to the health of your brain and the health of your nervous system. You just feel better and you look better when you sleep, too. And movement. Movement is going to be very important too to help get blood flow and our lymphatic system going, which is our waste clearing system. These are foundational things and then we look at our organs of elimination in the sense of the colon. Are you having healthy bowel movements and not constipated?

How’s your liver functioning? We use a lot of caster oil packs and coffee enemas and the things that we’ve been trained to do. Then you want to look … Unfortunately our soil is very depleted right now and so we’re all very mineral deficient. As you mentioned, if you don’t high amounts of minerals in the body, you’re not going to the support for certain enzymes to get the metals out. Mineral repletion is very important. That’s why sometimes when we’re confronted with lead in the face of low calcium in the body, we’re going to put lead in the bone because it’s a very similar charge, the body’s always going to try to figure that out. Minerals are a huge step. We use a lot … Again, we’ll use chelation, but that has to be done with a doctor, with support. Then we’ll use a lot of what we call different supplements and herbs. One of the things that we really love talking about are binders. Binders can be things like algaes, like chlorella, which is a blue-green algae, or clays or charcoals or zeolite powders.

They help to basically bind the bile in the intestines. The bile is a huge exit route from the liver and the bile basically gets excreted through our bowels through our stool. If we don’t have good digestion and regulation elimination that can get recirculated. Dr. [Chris Shade 00:30:08] actually talks a lot about bio-flow, and the liver, and binders in his talk on the summit. We use a lot of binders, which are natural agents. Then for the right people at the right time we’ll use cilantro. Cilantro can be a great herbal that can be very good a mobilizing different heavy metals. Then we’ll use different [IB 00:30:30] protocols, as well we use a lot of what we call ionic foot bath. I used to think, “Do these really work?” It’s not so much about what’s coming out in the feet, it’s actually the ions and how it’s supporting the body. You actually eliminate more heavy metals through your urine three days later.

They’ve been showing studies and we’ve seen some good results, and they actually help the body eliminate heavy metals more efficiently. That’s exciting and that’s gentle. Then if you tolerate sweating, not all of my patients tolerate sweating, but sweating is a huge supportive tool in that we use a lot of infrared sauna. Again, if you have amalgam in your mouth, I want to you to be careful about going into sauna, especially infrared sauna because that can increase the mercury vapor release in the body. Then we’ll individualize treatments and then when I mentioned sleep, we get really excited about melatonin these days. Melatonin is not only helpful for enhancing sleep, but it actually is very neuroprotective. It actually has a job that it can help to clear viruses and pathogens from the brain, as well as it’s been shown to protect the neurons from aluminum and also clear then from other heavy metals. I mentioned it’s really hard to get into the brain, into the neurons, to clear toxicity, but liposomal, which means it’s combined with phosphatidylcholine, so it’s really well-absorbed, can really help with getting metals out of the brain.

There’s a lot of tools and we’re talking about a lot of different strategies but we want to pair any detox strategy with really good support. Then you go what you can to avoid and you just make peace with that. You just feel empowered and just know that this is not just a juice cleanse or a 30-day detox where that … That has, of course, a place and a purpose, but this is really a lifestyle approach. I’ve always been humbled about how long it takes to get heavy metals out of the body. Heavy metal detoxification doesn’t take days, it doesn’t take months, it can the years. That’s because as we effectively detoxify the body, we’re able to get deeper into different tissues and then the body’s able to release those metals. You can go in through these waves of detoxification. Be patient. Be gentle with yourself, but this is definitely something that takes time.

Trevor:             But you do tend to see an improvement within months? It doesn’t take years to see improvement in people’s symptoms, right? That’s what I generally have noticed is that we know we’re going in the right direction because symptoms start to be alleviated.

Christine:         Absolutely. We can see a change more quickly. I don’t buy it, even though some people say, “You have to get worse before you get better,” I don’t believe in that. I think unfortunately sometimes that happens with people, but it’s a clue that we need to give them support. But you should feel better with more treatment, energy should improve, brain fog, if you have any neurological symptoms that should improve. When people … I know I’m talking a lot about the mouth, but that’s just my perspective and I see a lot, when people address their mouth in a safe and the correct way, their brain starts to feel better pretty immediately. This is … To your point, that absolutely can make an impact quickly, but again just if you really want to reduce your lifetime burden just be patient with how long that will take.

Trevor:             Yeah. Absolutely. Well, Christine, it’s been so great having you on the podcast and getting the information. It sounds like you’ve got some incredible guests on your summit. I’m excited to watch it, to check it out. There’s going to be a ton of information, I’m sure, for people to go. I encourage people to go check it out. Tell people when it is, and we’ll have the link up within the show notes below your interview on my website.

Christine:         Great. I really appreciate your lecture. You gave a lot of great information and we this panel of experts that we’re excited. Again, we want to just share as much information so you can feel empowered in your life. It’s going to be January 29th, is going to be day that it begins. It runs for about a week. All of the lectures are free for that week. If you want to take your time going through them you can purchase them for use. The URL will be in Trevor’s show notes, but it’s theheavymetalssummit.com.

Trevor:             Yeah. Great. All right. Thanks again, Christine. We appreciate your interview, your information.

Christine:         Thank you, Trevor.

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