Rebuild Your Health with Dr. Z

Speaker 2:             Today we’re talking about how to rebuild your health with a functional medicine approach. My guest is Dr Robertson Brodsky is also known as Dr [inaudible], author of the book rebuild. He also specializes in functional medicine, is a clinical nutritionist, board certified chiropractic neurologist with 24 years of experience and rebuilding people from chronic health issues back to excellent health. Dr Z is the founder of Cancer Victor Protocol and Director of the [inaudible] Center for Functional Medicine in Darien, Connecticut. Because of his personal experience overcoming disease, his power, his practice, it deep into the methods of functional medicine, understanding root mechanisms of disease, nutrition, biochemistry, neurology, exercise and physiology, and as inspired him to create for his patients unique personalized protocols. In this interview, Dr shares his story and his five steps to move from diagnosis to recovery and rebuild your health. So please enjoy this interview Dr. Z. it’s so great to have you on my podcast. Welcome.

Speaker 3:             Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2:             Yes, so I want you to start off by sharing your story because I know you’ve been seeing patients for awhile, but you also have a personal journey that has kind of led you on a slightly different path. Right?

Speaker 3:             Quite a quite a bit. The journey that I am now on helping people rebuild themselves from disease basically stems from my own journey through disease. So to make a long story hopefully super short about there was a period of time where I had an avalanche of stress fall upon me and just like a lot of people do when there’s a lot of stress there. My, my world imploded. It fell apart. I wasn’t taking care of myself. I was drinking excessive alcohol to fall asleep. I got into the habit of eating quick foods because I was on the go and my typical emo years ago was to hold things in. So I had a drug addict stealing from me. She was stealing from insurance companies. Uh, my relationship fell apart all at once. I had major renovations happening in my house and literally went all that smoke cleared.

Speaker 3:             Two years later, I’m looking at an x ray with the radiologist when you said you have five inch tumor in your chest. So the, the, okay. The proceeding things that led up to that were major stress as you know, like an unhealthful lifestyle. I stopped taking care of myself and in the midst of that I was still seeing patients, so I had a dive into seven months of chemotherapy. I had four weeks of radiation and that I pushed and, and, and I’m pretty adamant about telling people that they have to be an advocate for themselves. So I pushed the surgeon to cut my chest open to remove this lymphoma, non Hodgkin’s lymphoma. There’s five inch tumor in my chest, uh, in a procedure they say they’ve never done before. So my world turned upside down. I received the diagnosis, I became a patient. And then that took me on a whole new journey.

Speaker 2:             Absolutely. Thank you for sharing that. I know sometimes it’s hard to share stories that where we know that we’ve made mistakes and we didn’t do the right thing, especially as a doctor. I can only imagine how, you know, that’s Kinda hard to, to go through that and then to be able to share that with people. But we’re human, right? And things happen and I think people can definitely relate to your story because we are stressed. A lot of us are stressed and I mean we all are really. And it’s easy to get into some bad habits, a sleep, sleep habits, stress management, eating and, and other kind of destructive things like drinking and, and using that and a and not a healthy way. Right? So, so it’s, it’s, it’s, I thank you for sharing that and, but you, you experienced this in a way that then has been able to help other people. Right? So you’ve learned a lot along the way of, of how to overcome what, what happened for you, right?

Speaker 3:             You, a diagnosis doesn’t have to be your destiny or diagnosis isn’t your destiny. You can either use a diagnosis of a life depleting condition or a life threatening condition as an anchor or you can take it to a direction to help others or inspire others or teach others. And so I went onto the route of writing a book, filming. We’re filming a documentary, changing my practice over where we’ve, we focused on the past a lot on neurology and nutrition, but functional medicine is where I ended up because it was really that methodology that allowed me to dig deep to understand why I developed the disease. And so as I did the research while I was going through chemo or as I was going through cancer care, I developed a plan to rebuild myself back to excellent health because when I went to my doctors, when I got done, they said to me, there’s nothing we can do, you know, eat well and exercise. And I was like, wow, that’s pretty profound. So I dove into the research. I created a plan that restored my health back to excellence, which then took me on my new journey to where I am today. Again, writing, rebuild, filming a documentary, and you can choose a diagnosis to take you down or to pivot your lifestyle choices into a direction that that’s closer to your wellness goals. And I think people need to understand, it’s like if you’re diagnosed with a health issue and you asked yourself the question now, what now, what do you do?

Speaker 3:             You know? And so I’m really looking to educate, inspire as you are doing with, with, with your profession and what you’re doing. So I think there’s a lot to be said about, um, having a personal journey that takes you into a direction that, that hopefully can inspire others.

Speaker 2:             Yeah, absolutely. So what are some of the key things that you find are really helpful? And I mean, first of all, I think the first step, like you said, is realizing that you’re the one that, you know, each individual is the one that has the biggest interest in their own health and that it’s important to take charge of your own health. So I think that’s really key. That’s. So that’s sort of the first step, but what are you, what are you, what are some of the key things that you found along the way that you think are so essential for people to start incorporating?

Speaker 3:             So I think the first thing that people should realize is, believe it or not, disease or chronic health issues are self-inflicted. Nobody wants to hear that. But the reality is, as you said before, based on people fall into those unhelpful lifestyles and the bad habits and they cheat on their diet, they drink too much alcohol. I mean people are vaping now. It’s pretty crazy. But I think one of the most important things that I learned through my journey was one, health issues, chronic health issues in zoos are self inflicted. And I think the other part is you have to be your own advocate through whatever it is you can’t put your trust into one person or somebody that poo-poos, you know, nutrition or supplementation or nutraceuticals. So I think the big things that I learned through my research and rebuilding myself and countless others was there.

Speaker 3:             There’s basically five steps that I found to be the most impactful for people to rebuild themselves, if you will. When I say eat for your genes, one nutrition is information that modifies the way your body works. It’s not just about taste, it’s not just about macros. And carbs and so forth. You’re eating nutrients or information that regulates your genetic function. If you disrespect your genes and creates disease. If you honor your genes, you create great health. Change of perspective, like number two, change your perspective of your stressors, so stress is a perception. Somebody buys a car. I said, Hey, Dr k is jumping in my car. Let’s take a ride. Somebody hits us. I panicked because I just bought a new car. You’re saying, Hey rob, it’s just a car. So it’s perspective that people really need to understand as far as their environment and the stressors.

Speaker 3:             Number two, there’s all kinds of. Number three, there’s all kinds of different exercises and again, as I say, extra exercise or move with intensity like high intensity interval training. It really is the most profound and effective way to rebuild and reverse chronic health issues. It’s been proven through physiology research, you name it, so exercising with intensity, you have to reduce contamination, which I know you’re all about that as far as skincare products where you can take toxic things on the skin. It progesterone is absorbed through the skin, through bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. Why wouldn’t some something else, a synthetic actually be absorbed into the skin, into the system that then you have to tend with. So when we tell people to reduce contamination, it’s getting rid of bread, dairy, sugar, stop smearing your skin full of, you know, glow in the dark, toxic things. And the last thing would be as, and again, I used to think sleep was a waste of time.

Speaker 3:             I was like, I to get to the office, it’s a waste of time. If I can get four hours, I’d get more productive. The reality is if you lose the reality is, and the research says that if you lose just two hours of sleep a night, you increase your risk for all the serious diseases. I don’t think people are aware of that. And sleep is that momentary coma that we control all the lead ourselves to repair ourselves. So I think there’s really five big things that people can take and use to really make an impact in their health.

Speaker 2:             Yeah, I love all five of those. I want to kind of go through some of this information a little bit, dig a little bit deeper because one of the things I’ve been hearing lately with sleep is that there are people that are maybe biohackers. I’m not saying this about all biohackers but or people that are entrepreneurs and that are trying to fit a lot in a day and they were saying, you know what? I don’t really actually need sleep like other people. I’m, I’m, I’m great with that. I can. I’ve figured out a way to bio hack in a way that minimizes the amount of sleep I need. And I’m like, Huh, that’s really interesting. So you think about people that are saying, I mean, I see, I hear this. I mean I think people have been saying knowing that sleep is important for our health. But then lately I’ve seen this sort of trend with entrepreneurs saying, oh, I don’t need to sleep because I figured out a way to biohack this. Um, I can take supplements, I can eat differently and I just don’t need to get that sleep. Is there really anything that replaces sleep though?

Speaker 3:             There is. Listen, you could take every supplement on the planet. You’re not gonna have the rejuvenation that sleep provides you so you can. There’s no supplement that you’re going to boost growth hormone without sleep. There’s no real supplement that’s going to. Well, you can reduce inflammation with anti inflammatories, right, but the reality is even just even just a loss of two hours of sleep a night is enough to increase inflammation and inflammation is that nasty thing from the immune system that can create a major war of disease in the body. People don’t realize that if you don’t sleep, you’re going to create systemic inflammation. Then that’s been proven, so if biohackers are saying, I’m just going to, I’m going to override this. There’s no way you could do that because there’s an inherent to our our genome. It’s inherent to us as humans that we need to sleep in order to repair ourselves in multiple ways to repair the immune system, to regulate our hormones, to get estrogen, progesterone and testosterone levels normalized through sleep growth hormone, so there is absolutely no, I’m sorry guys. There’s absolutely no way you’re going to cheat the system without a good night’s sleep. There’s no way to do it.

Speaker 2:             So what is the right amount of sleep and what about also not just the quantity of sleep, but the quality of sleep, right?

Speaker 3:             So the data does show that your typical seven to eight hours is what you want to get. Now, some people maybe genetically genetically unique individuals can slide by with, with maybe a little more, a little less, but again, it’s the cardinal rule of thumb is seven to eight. Yeah, and I think people need to strive for that. And this is also the age of blue lights. I’m, I’m, I’m guilty myself working on an ipad writing letters or articles and you’re on the computer until 11:00. I’m like, what are we doing? This is blue light, right? And even if you do that in the biohackers stick that they can get by that, you’re going to shut off Melatonin with blue light and it’s gonna mess up your sleep cycle. Melatonin’s also going to, if it’s not abundant enough in the system, you’re going to suppress your immune system. So you really need seven to eight with the question

Speaker 2:             and so the blue light, you’re saying for people who aren’t familiar with that, that comes from all of the electronics and TVS and TV, a computer monitors and phones and tablets, tablets and um, yeah, all the different devices. Uh, I, I kinda wish people would get back to reading books like physical books rather than all the different ways that we, um, we, you know, look at and read things. It’s nice to get back to actually physical paper, especially at bedtime. I think we do get too much exposure and I know I get caught up in it too because there’s so many. So much of our interaction today and our work is revolved around electronics. But having some time to take a break right before, before bedtime.

Speaker 3:             I’ll sleep online or I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll read through a kindle through an iphone or I’ll read, but it’s not the same. I mean these devices, uh, Dr k so they actually have changes in the frequency. So you’re going to adjust the blue light before bed. I mean there’s actually on your iphone, on your, on your tablet, you can do that. So I agree. And what better way than that, a good book.

Speaker 2:             Quality of sleep’s important to if people are trying to set up seven to eight hours of sleep at night, but yeah, they’re waking up every few hours that that’s something too. It’s going to. You’re not going to still get the same kind of benefits. Right? Absolutely. Right, right. So any, any sleep tips on helping people get that quality of service? Because it is something I hear often is people. Yeah, it’s easy to say get, get a good night’s sleep, but it’s not always easy for people. And besides electronics.

Speaker 3:             Yup. I agree. And we hear it all the time and people ask when we see them clinically, well, how do I get a better night’s sleep? I’m not sleeping well. And so we look at men, women, we look at ages and so the first thing I asked her that I would inquire about or with someone is let’s discuss hormones for a second. So let’s say somebody is really low in their progesterone, you’re not gonna sleep well, no matter what you do, progesterone is one of those hormones that knock out, give you a good night’s sleep. So we try to find one. What’s causing the sleep loss? If it’s not family, your kids keeping you up, your dog’s licking your face, your cats walking all over you, that kind of thing. But there are certain things to do as we instruct or teach. People don’t eat foods that increase your energy and Cortisol and insulin at night, right?

Speaker 3:             All your refined carbs, dairy products with a tie remain in it. Those can actually increase a and l tyrasine. Those can actually increase your energy and that people wonder why they can’t fall asleep. And so a lot of the foods that we eat cause a problem with sleep. And let’s not forget alcohol. Everybody says, well, what about alcohol? And so alcohol, although it’s a depressing, can also disrupt the sleep cycle. So we tell people to shut the lights off, make sure there’s no blue light in the room, trying to keep the room as dark as possible. Make sure you’re comfortable, as you said, read before bed because it’s actually a decent sleep aid. I wouldn’t read a murder mystery or you know, a, a slaughter fest handbook because that may wind you up and get you all fired up as far as cortisol being elevated and I think one of the big things that I can speak from experience, cortisol is one of those things that you have to get cortisol in check, so if you had a fight with your spouse or your kids or something happened at school and work business, you really have to change your perception of it.

Speaker 3:             In other words, change the way you think about it so your cortisol levels drop. That will also help you get a good night’s sleep. And so I think there’s a bunch of of cool tips and lifestyle and habit changes people can can incorporate to get a better night’s sleep.

Speaker 2:             Thank you for sharing those. I appreciate that. I do think it’s, it’s so important to get to the root cause and like you said, some of the hormonal imbalances, stress and situational things going on in people’s lives. Like figure out what the root causes and an address that don’t just try and take a bunch of Melatonin or a bunch of herbs that, that make you sleepy. Just trying to figure out what is the cause, what’s holding you back and, and those things can be helpful. But a lot I see a lot of people will say, oh well I can’t sleep so I’m taking a bunch of Melatonin and I’m trying to, you know, these, these herbs and drinking these teas and they’re not making me sleep. And it’s so important to address these root causes. Like you were talking about.

Speaker 3:             I have to ask why. Always ask why.

Speaker 2:             Yeah. And so what are the things that helps with sleep is exercise, right? So that was one of the other of the five things that you mentioned and you mentioned hit a or high intensity training and a real training. Um, so can you explain a little bit more about why that is so beneficial? What are, what’s happening there and why is that? Why do you find that, that kind of exercise in particular? So powerful.

Speaker 3:             So I think most people know that exercising is beneficial for our life, our health, longevity, we get that. But if you look at the two exercises, if you break it down, there’s maybe endurance exercising, aerobic exercising, which is the same intensity or moderate intensity over a period of time. High intensity is where the biochemical magic happens, so the research and data shows that anything with an explosive movement like a sprinter, not that you have to sprint, but we’re using that as an example. It’s the explosion of the body and all that muscle contraction. I’m contracting that that happens when when somebody bursts off a line or they pull up a heavyweight, the magic happens then and so it’s the intensity of the movement that creates immune enhancement regulation of insulin and your blood sugar. It really is the the exercise to incorporate for any reason for, for, for any health issue, whether it’s chronic life depleting condition or disease, if you’re not impaired or disabled.

Speaker 3:             It’s one of those exercises that really make a difference and when we look at high intensity interval training, it’s the hormonal things that have happened to. So you get a little burst of cortisol and then it comes back down. The data shows that those, that exercise excessively for long periods of time have elevated cortisol levels and again, it’s almost defeating the purpose of the exercise. So if you were to compare a sprinter that’s really high intensity, who’s practicing high intensity interval training over somebody who’s a marathon runner, I mean look at the difference in the body type. It’s almost like, and I’m not putting that down if that’s what you choose to do as far as an exercise, but just be aware that you’re, you’re cannibalizing your muscle tissue with too much exercise, high intensity interval training doesn’t do that because you explode and your, your arrest, you explode and you rest. And so the benefit to is the longterm effects of high intensity interval training and that explosive movement is far greater than the longterm effects of cardio or endurance training.

Speaker 2:             Yup. Thank you for explaining that and for sharing that. And um, yeah, I think that my feeling about marathons and, and those sorts of activities is it’s almost like it’s more, that’s not really a physical improvement. It’s more of people at an achievement like a self achievement thing. If you have a goal of I really want to be able to run, do this marathon or a triathlon or this, this Ironman, you know, or something along those lines if that’s a goal that helped you feel like you’ve achieved more in life and that you’re able to set a goal and achieve it. I think that that’s great, but I think that you have to actually support the body even more because I don’t think that that kind of exercise is actually going to do a lot of benefits for the body and actually can be harmful if you don’t do it properly. So people that do have those goals, I think it’s still good for them to do it, but realizing they need to continue to support their body, realize you’re actually adding an additional stress to your body.

Speaker 3:             Absolutely, and some of the endurance junkies, even athletes that we see here, why do you hear someone running on the sidewalk and dying or are passing away? Right? The data shows too much exercise can cause the right ventricle of the heart to become bigger hypertrophy and that’s a danger, but that won’t happen with high intensity interval training

Speaker 2:             doing the exercise programs, right? Yeah, absolutely. So Dr Z, you also, you created a. something really interesting is called the cancer Victor Protocol. Explain what that is and what, what led you to create that.

Speaker 3:             So while I was going through chemotherapy, the first round was pretty toxic and I didn’t know what I didn’t know then what I know now that that saying, but the second round, because the cancer wasn’t really eradicated to begin with, when as I was deep into the research, I wanted to know if I could make the chemotherapy more effective. If the principal of chemotherapy is oxidative stress or some of them are antibiotics or some of them are what’s called alkylating agents and they have a certain function in the body to destroy cancer cells, what could I do or what could I take to improve that therapeutic response of the drugs? So again, I dove into the research from all the top oncology clinicians out there and they all kept saying the same thing that using guided nutraceuticals or supplements during chemotherapy would protect you from toxicity and it would enhance the therapeutic effect of chemotherapy, so I went through all the chemotherapy drugs, all the people that we’re seeing with different types of cancers from breast and colon and so forth, prostate understanding what the chemotherapy did. Then we devised a protocol, what I call the cancer Victor Protocol, which is really a parallel set of steps that enhances the function of chemotherapy without interrupting what it’s supposed to do and reduce toxicity and it’s worked incredibly well for everybody that we’ve. We’ve used at width, so it’s really a parallel set of steps. Okay. Nutraceuticals and supplements and nutrition based to enhance the chemotherapy and reduced toxicity.

Speaker 2:             Yeah. I hear you saying that this is not to be used. Instead of going to an oncologist, this is a. This is something that would supplement or that you can use in addition to a conventional cancer treatment.

Speaker 3:             Absolutely. Look at crisis care is needed. Whether it’s cancer or it’s heart disease, it’s an autoimmune issue like we need that crisis care intervention and if we’re talking about cancer, I would never tell someone not to seek an oncologist or get proper treatment for their diagnosis, whatever that may be. However, there are steps people can take to get them through the cancer care and hopefully finished their, their regimen so they have better outcomes basically, and less toxicity. The number one reason why people stop going through cancer care is the toxicity and peripheral neuropathies, you know, that buzzing in the fingers. And a lot of that’s prevented just even with nutrition, an anti inflammatory diet, helpful. Nutraceuticals guided to enhance the, the chemotherapy. That’s pretty remarkable.

Speaker 2:             That’s fantastic. And um, how, how are you finding doctors receiving this information? Um, what have you heard back from your patients as far as how other doctors have have, have they been open to it? Are they resistant?

Speaker 3:             So, great question. It’s a mixed bag, you know, so some of the old school guys and gals are like, ah, you know, don’t ever take a supplement while you’re going through chemotherapy. And the reality is, that was a rumor started in the seventies, so there’s no, there’s no major research. What they were doing is to end to get to your, to get to your question, is the. What they were showing was that chemotherapy was affected at the time of the infusion. They were. They were also infusing high dose nutrients at the time of the infusion, not the day of. I mean not the day before and not the day after was the day up. So to answer your question, many doctors are pretty receptive because

Speaker 3:             as I work with Joan London, as I work with tons of other people, they were just astounded by it saying, what are you doing? We don’t understand why you’re doing so well. The most toxic things. Other people, other doctors will propose it and say, don’t do that. You shouldn’t take anything. Just, you know, eat tons of calories to keep your weight up. And other people call and say, what are you doing? We need to know this. So it’s, it’s really just, it’s mixed. And I, and I hope we’re, we’re going into the direction where more doctors as they’ve written the research on supplements and chemotherapy, embraced us in their practices.

Speaker 2:             Yeah. And I wanted to ask that because I don’t want people to see him to be taking your information, sharing it with their oncologist and then getting frustrated because there are there, there definitely is a divide on that and some are embrace it and some kind of still resist it. So hopefully, like you said, that, that we’re going to see that change and that because like you said, there are so many symptoms that come along with conventional cancer treatment that can be alleviated with the use of, um, some, some more natural substances and support that, uh, that conventional medicine just to provide. And so I think it’s really about using both to help support people. And really it’s not just cancer, it’s, it’s all chronic disease and illness that we can be able to use this truly integrative approach and to the best of both worlds and come together.

Speaker 2:             And I think it’s important for people that are seeking healthcare to look at who can be part of their team and what are the different, what are the different ways that they can find that support and the information that they’re looking for and people that are, are, that have experienced the right training and education and experience to be able to provide that support. Because there’s also a lot of information online. We will go to Dr Google go on to, you know, go online and ask a bunch of questions and think they can do it by themselves or they find an online, um, website and think that this health coach is going to be all the answers for them. But it takes it, it takes a whole. And I’m making. There’s some great health coaches out there. I’m not saying that, but really, especially with people with chronic disease, something like cancer. We need a, we need a whole support team a lot of times to help us get through through the chronic disease issues.

Speaker 3:             No, without question. And I tell people that if somebody on one of the doctors on your team is not willing to work with the other team firing, firing him or her and get somebody new, seriously, this is your health, not theirs. And so it’s that push for pick personal advocacy and, and I, I completely agree. I mean, I think we have to have a team approach to doing this. Dr. Google is confusing and it, it, you know, what’s wonderful about it though is how nice is it when you see patients and they’re educated on something and they come in and they say, Hey doc, what about this and will this help? And I don’t agree with this. And it’s like, wow, they’re doing a lot of work that maybe we don’t have to, you know. So it’s pretty wonderful. People become their own experts in their own health challenges, right? Because they’re kind of forced to do that. So I agree. I think it’s wonderful. People are educated, but yeah, it’s important for people to still be their own advocates

Speaker 2:             and advocates and have the right resources and tools to and support along the way. Right?

Speaker 3:             Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 2:             What are some of the tools and resources that you have available to people?

Speaker 3:             So regarding a book regarding my practice, I’ve used them, you mentioned a documentary too, so the resources obviously are just as a specialist in functional medicine, if you will. We have a, you know, our clinic is in Darien, Connecticut, so we, uh, we do a lot of long distance kind of rebuilding people and uh, uh, resource is actually me. That’s the number one resource to here kind of thing. Right? And then the second thing is for people living in medical deserts for people that don’t have access to, to maybe proper health care or they don’t know how to ask the right questions of their doctors. They don’t know the right steps, they don’t know the nutritional guidelines and their boundaries, if you will, to help rebuild themselves from a chronic issue. I’ve written rebuilt and again, I, I think that for those who are seeking for something that’s not just a piece of literature where I translate information from one source to another, it’s really a, it’s, it’s a personal guide that allows people to create a, a plan. You need to their health issues, so there’s also rebuild the book and again, it’s, it comes from my personal experience and, and I wrote it so others who are suffering have a roadmap, the roadmap back to excellent health. We have a newsletter that we send out. I tried to not just give you what’s fresh in the news and what’s hot and a fund in the news, but really tips and tools for people to overcome their health challenges. So, um, I hope that answers your question, but

Speaker 2:             yeah, it’s always good. You know, with my podcast, I’m always trying to help people be able to explore all the different options so that people have available reliable resources and that’s why I have guests come on. So I always want to know what are you offering people, what do you have out there? And so it’s great that you have this book rebuild and, and people can get that on your website, on Amazon. Where do people find that?

Speaker 3:             Yes. So people can order, order rebuild on my website, it’s [inaudible] dot com. It’s you, they can order it from harper waves, they can order from Amazon books and all the other online retail spots and people always ask, you know, is there something else that, that I can give as a gift and I guess as a gift for anybody listening or people interested, there’s a couple things. There’s a newsletter that people can download. Not Newsletter. I’m sorry for if you decide that you want the monthly newsletter, there is a ebook on how to get rid of fatigue and increased energy for, for increased your energy and, and, and fatigue for good and certainly there’s a logbook and the log book I wrote as a companion to rebuild so people have a place to journal and write down what they eat, how they emotionally feel everyday and their progress. I’m all about objective tests. I want to see what we’re saying is working right. And so people can have their pre and post medical tests and blood work so they can record that. So it’s just, it’s a gift for them to really stay focused on their journey.

Speaker 2:             Okay, excellent. We’ll have all the links up to to your information below your podcast interview on my website too, so Dr Z. thank you so much for your information today for coming on and sharing your personal story and what what you’ve been able to do to help others.

Speaker 3:             Yup. My pleasure. I appreciate the time. Thank you.

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