Exercise

Trevor Cates:                Hi there, I’m Dr. Trevor Cates. Welcome to The Spa Dr. podcast. Today, we’re talking about a fitness approach that you can fit in easily and get the results you’re looking for. My guest is Bree Argetsinger. She’s also known as The Betty Rocker. She’s an internationally known wholistic health and fitness coach, innovative entrepreneur, and motivator of self growth.

Trevor Cates:                She has written multiple cookbooks and has nutrition and fitness plans such as 30 day home workout challenges. Bree provides actionable health and fitness guidance via her blog, online courses, and social media channels that reach millions of people.

Trevor Cates:                On today’s podcast, Bree shares nutrition and fitness tips that are effective and will fit into your busy schedule. I hope you enjoy this interview with The Betty Rocker. Bree, it’s so great to have you on my podcast.

Bree A.:                        Yay, I’m so happy to be here.

Trevor Cates:                Yay. I know it’s amazing what you’re doing with the fitness, and the eating, and you’ve got this great big following of people that you get excited about fitness; because exercise isn’t always an easy thing. Eating healthy isn’t always easy, but you … I love how you make it look fun and easy. I love your brand, Betty Rocker. Yeah.

Bree A.:                        Thank you.

Trevor Cates:                That’s really fun. Let’s start by you telling what got you in to doing this, and what came … how did you get the name ‘Betty Rocker?’

Bree A.:                        Thank you for all the nice things you said about my brand, first of all. That’s so nice of you. I really do think that fitness and nutrition can be fun. I, too, was someone who just didn’t always used to think that at all. That’s sort of like how it all got started for me was back in the day, I was always ramming around, riding motorcycles, dirt bikes, jumping out of airplanes, being very hard and fast with my life. At the same time, I had this passion for baking, and cooking, and healthy eating.

Bree A.:                        I got this moniker, ‘punk rock, Betty Crocker.’ That’s what they used to call me. I had short spiky hair, and I was always doing funny adrenaline fused things. Over the years, it kind of morphed into Betty Rocker. I didn’t think about using it as a business name because I didn’t really start my business until I was in my mid 30s; this business, anyway.

Bree A.:                        I really kind of ran myself down with all those adrenaline charged things, and was … Like I said, I didn’t really think that it was fun to be … For me, being fit and looking good, those were like a focus where I just constantly sort of felt like I had to do those things. That was my mission. I was so … My identity was so wrapped up in the way that I looked and that focus was so strong for me, I missed out on actually feeling like joy in eating, joy in movement. I wasn’t really present to those things.

Bree A.:                        Looking back, I can say that now, but I definitely feel like for years, I was just really caught up in … I just never felt like I was good enough, honestly. Thinking if I looked a certain way, or presented a certain way, that I would be acceptable was really like my inner struggle.

Bree A.:                        I used food, and I used exercise like a drug. I used drugs, also, to deal with my insecurities about how I looked and felt. What I found is that my story is a very common one. I think that many, many women really struggle with these issues with the way that they appear. They ultimately just have lack of self love. That was totally me.

Bree A.:                        It wasn’t until I ran myself down, totally into the ground and really burned out my adrenals, and just like couldn’t exercise, couldn’t sleep. My libido crashed, and these all common signs of really bad hormone imbalances. Adrenal fatigue is a real thing.

Bree A.:                        I had to take a really hard look at what I was doing, my behavior. I was lucky enough to work with a naturopath at the time who really helped me on my road back. Along the way, I just sort of started documenting what I was doing nutritionally. I started to really slow down and pay attention to what I was eating.

Bree A.:                        I went back to my roots. I was at Tufts University. I went on a full academic scholarship, which is a little known fact about me. I was studying nutrition in indigenous cultures and anthropology. I went back to my roots and I started digging deeper into the science of nutrition, and reading, and reading more because I really wanted to master it. I knew that I had to heal my body from the inside out. That the diet dogmas of the day, which this was like five, ten years ago now, were not really working for me.

Bree A.:                        I had to find a better way. I documented it on my blog, which I called ‘Betty Rocker,’ because that sort of felt right to me. As you know, it’s morphed over the last five or six years into this movement that not only based on my own journey and the things I’ve been learning and teaching my own clients; but what I’ve been applying to myself and continue to apply to myself every day.

Bree A.:                        Betty Rocker the name now, Betty is any girl, anybody. You’re a Betty. I’m Betty. Rocking is about rocking our life. It’s not just about rocking our body. It’s about this wholistic encompassing thing. You’re a Betty Rocker. I’m a Betty Rocker. I might be The Betty Rocker, but all of my people who follow me, they’re Betty Rockers, too. We’re all rocking our lives.

Bree A.:                        This was a long story. Thank you for being such a great listener, but that’s the story. Just laid it all out there.

Trevor Cates:                Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that. I think it’s good for people to hear that because a lot of times I think if people don’t know your story, they look at you and they think, ‘Oh, she’s already got it all figured out.’ There’s a reason, like you went on a journey to get to the point where you are. There’s a lot of value in understanding that, that wherever you … If somebody listening or watching, wherever you are right now, you can get to a different place, if that’s what you want to do. That’s exactly what you did, so thanks for sharing that.

Bree A.:                        So funny, thank you for asking. I was thinking last night actually. I was like, ‘I need to rewrite my ‘about’ page, because I feel like I’m still transforming. I feel like everything, every year, there’s a new journey, a new level, a new layer.’ What you just said is so awesome, because anyone listening, it’s like wherever you are right now, it took you a lot to get to where you are. The fact that you are here listening to Dr. Trevor’s podcast, the fact that you’re … You care so much about your health, it’s such a high value thing to care about.

Bree A.:                        The fact that you’re here means you’ve probably done some work. You’ve probably been through some difficult struggles to get here, and you’re in a good place. You’re going to get to the next place. I’m where I’m at and I’m trying to get to the next place. I’ve been places. I just feel like I need to constantly rewrite my ‘about’ page to share like, ‘Okay, I was here but now I’m getting here, and now I’m getting here.’ Sometimes the journey is lateral. It’s not like you’re going up the mountain. You’re going in a freaking circle around the mountain.

Trevor Cates:                So true, so true. Great, I love that. I can’t wait to see where you take it.

Bree A.:                        Thank you. Yeah, it’s been actually a real pleasure to get to share some of this past year’s journey with you, to get to know you better. I know your listeners are huge fans of you. I’m a huge fan of you, also, and the way that you show up and the way that you guide people not only in … just in their skincare, but so much underlying. That’s just the wholistic message that you give that’s just so important. I feel like we have a lot of synergy in how we’re empowering people.

Trevor Cates:                Yeah, thank you. Thank you, I appreciate that. Let’s talk about what you talk about with diet and exercise. I think first the thing is, is there a perfect diet? I know you and I have talked about that, but will you tell everybody what you think? Is there a perfect diet? If so, what is it?

Bree A.:                        I’m so happy you asked that question. It’s really funny, because I actually … I get messages all the time via Instagram messenger, on my blog, on email. We get thousands of messages a day. One thing that I see over and over lately is ‘Betty Rocker, I’m thinking about keto,’ or ‘I’ve heard about Paleo,’ or, ‘I’ve heard about this particular diet, and I want to know what your thoughts are on it.’

Bree A.:                        I’m always, always saying to people, “You know what? All of the different diets out there, the popular diets, the ones that most people are trying, like the ones that you’ve heard of, they have good science behind them and they are a great fit for certain people at certain times. And if you feel called to try one of those out and you’re able to fit it into your lifestyle, and sustain it consistently, I think that’s awesome and I think you should try it because different things work for different people at different times.”

Bree A.:                        What I really teach people is about eating whole foods, about nutrition, about actually what the nutrients do in your body so that you are empowered with the knowledge to make good decisions about the different diets, to see when you’re testing this stuff out, does it actually feel good? How is my body responding? So giving you some opportunity to really just be empowered to make yourself your own self experience. I don’t really feel it’s right to demonize any particular diet. I think they all have their merits. The right dietary approach is one that you can sustain that gives you the results that you’re after. Sometimes you have to try out different things to find out what works for you. What works for you right now might not work for you when you’re pregnant, or when you’re nursing, or at a different stage of your life than it does right now. Your goals may change.

Bree A.:                        I think as long as you’re basing what you’re eating in whole foods, you know about the nutrients enough to know that you need a certain amount of different nutrients when you’re working out versus when you’re not. That’s the kind of information that I teach and preach. It’s not about having some specific diet or some perfect amount of calories, or cheat days, or any of that stuff. I don’t even do cheat days. I’m like … I call them ‘no strings attached,’ NSA days, or NSA meals; because I don’t want us to judge ourselves for the joy of eating. I think it’s a basic human pleasure. If you’re going to have a glass of wine, or you’re going to have cookies, or cake at a birthday party, those are things that you need to give yourself permission to enjoy them and to spend the judgment and leave out the guilt and shame.

Bree A.:                        If you’re making your baseline of healthy eating most of the time with your whole food eating, however you’re choosing to practice that, then you should be able to enjoy those special things without feeling bad. It’s about mindfulness and knowledge, empowering yourself with knowledge.

Trevor Cates:                Absolutely. I agree with you, and I … It sounds like you’re saying yes and no, as far as the perfect diet; because no … There’s not one specific type of diet, but yes, eating whole foods is ideal for our bodies. Giving yourself a little leeway every now and then to … not even cheat, but just have something every now and then and not judge yourself about it or beat yourself up about it. Yeah, I think that’s great.

Bree A.:                        Yeah, I think the real foods that we want to avoid are the processed foods like with the excess sugar. Added sugar that sneaks into so many of the things we think are healthy but they’re actually not. That’s what we really want to watch out for. Just being aware enough of what are common inflammatory foods for you. There’s even whole foods that might not be ideal for your unique body. I really advocate and am a big champion of go get your blood work done, get your … gut biome evaluated. See what foods are triggering you and what your unique system is responding to. I think that’s really useful information.

Bree A.:                        Even if you’re not doing that, you can at least get … your body will give you biofeedback in your energy levels, how you’re sleeping, how much … how hard you can hit your workouts. That’s a lot about your food intake, and also you can just see how food is affecting you by how your body looks on the outside. That’s a good indicator, right? How is your skin health? I’m sure you’d be able to tell us a lot about nutrition from the inside with your skin health.

Bree A.:                        Also from my perspective, are you carrying the amount of body fat to muscle ratio that you want? Nutrition, it comes down to everything. If you’re nickel and diming your sugar intake away by eating … If you’re having pasta sauce that has 20 grams of sugar, if you’re having just a soda on the side, you’re having this fat free yogurt that has … They have added sugar to it, so it actually tastes good. These are the things that by the end of the day, you’ve had over 100 grams of sugar.

Bree A.:                        You said, “But I didn’t eat anything. I didn’t even have dessert.”

Bree A.:                        I’m like, “I know, but like, you’ve been eating processed foods laden with sodium, additives, extra sugar. Those are not whole foods.”

Bree A.:                        You got to really watch out for that. Yeah, but yeah you’re right, yes and no. Yes and no.

Trevor Cates:                Yeah, so thanks for clarifying that about what you mean by ‘whole foods.’ Let’s talk about fitness, because this is a big thing for you. How do you recommend people fit in a really effective workout when we’re so busy? All of us are busy, right? We’ve got very little time, so we want to do efficient workouts that actually bring results.

Bree A.:                        Yeah, I really do think that it’s possible and very easy to sustain a workout program when you are doing workouts. It has to be something you can sustain. I mean that’s the key, right? You have to … If you’re busy, if you can fit in 15 to 20 minutes a day, four to five days a week, you’re going to be winning. People think, ‘Oh, I have to do an hour or 45 minutes of cardio five days a week.’ That’s just … Maybe that doesn’t happen, or you feel like you need to go hit the gym for an hour constantly. That’s not … That might be right for you if you have that time, but when you give yourself that goal and then you can’t actually meet it, that’s when you feel like you’ve failed. It’s just not … You’re going to get the result because you can’t sustain it. Having these …

Bree A.:                        What I’ve done is I create these 15 to 20 minute workouts. The way that I write them is I combine resistance training with explosive cardio. YOu’re really getting the best of both worlds. I like to pair these things together. Now, you don’t necessarily need weights to do resistance training. Gravity is your friend. I create a lot of functionally based workout movements that you can do using just your own body weight. Maybe some water bottles on occasion, if I invite you to do that. Or, if you have weights at home, awesome. You can also use those.

Bree A.:                        A lot of … My background after I left Tufts, I went to study kinesiology, and anatomy, and became a structural integrationist for many years, and worked with extreme sports athletes. I was prescribing them exercises, working with their movement patterns, helping to realign their posture. That was really instructive for me, especially when I started writing workout programs because not only am I combining the functional strength, but you’re getting the aesthetic result.

Bree A.:                        Combining that explosive cardio to help burn the fat with the resistance training, which helps you build lean muscle, which burns more calories at rest, of course. You end up getting this beautifully sculpted physique. You can actually fit it in. In 20 minutes, when I work against a timer, you will get a killer workout. There’s just no question. You can fit it in.

Bree A.:                        I hear from moms, I hear from busy college kids, I hear from people constantly, ‘Your program is the first one I was able to finish.’ ‘I’ve never finished a workout program before.’ ‘I’ve never been able to stick to something.’ ‘I’m excited to do my workout today.’ I just read a post this morning on the blog.

Bree A.:                        I think that people are finding these workouts very doable, very accessible. That’s honestly what I think is the point. It’s like if you have variety, if you have workouts that are written the correct way so that they’re interesting and you’re getting your heart rate up, and then you’re also slowing down and you’re doing that functional strength training, you’re really getting the best of both worlds. That’s why you see the results as fast as you do.

Trevor Cates:                Yeah, absolutely. Do you really like to focus in on specific areas? Say someone maybe wants to do a booty workout, belly. What is it … Especially people have fat in certain areas they don’t want to see. What do you recommend?

Bree A.:                        So getting your body fat off of your trouble areas, is that sort of the question? Yeah. That’s such a good question because there really are three main things that you want to do to get fat off your belly, or your thighs, or your arms. The problem is if you think back to when you gained this weight, it kind of crept on. Generally, you don’t just wake up one day and it’s you have it there, the body fat, right?

Bree A.:                        The body fat comes on your body, and you don’t notice how it came on. You also probably didn’t notice the order that it came on. This is the problem is that the order that the body fat comes off, it goes off in the order that … It goes off in the opposite order it came on. If your belly is your trouble area, it’s likely that that’s going to be the last place that it comes off. That means that if you start now and you are seeing progress around the rest of your body, it’s going to happen. It’s working. You can’t stop.

Bree A.:                        This is the number one mistake I see that people make is they’ll start their training program and they’re just taking their progress pictures of or they’re just weighing themselves. They’re taking progress pictures of their a stomach, for example. I’m like, ‘Darn it, if you just would take a whole body progress picture and you noticed you’re getting a little arm definition, you notice your legs are starting to look more sculpted, it’s working. You just have to give your body time to catch up to that spot where the body fat is sticking. It’s going to come off.

Bree A.:                        You need to approach body fat loss systemically. Nutrition, we talked about that. Explosive cardio, and resistance training. This is the three things that will really make the biggest difference. Of course if you’re not sleeping, if your hormones are out of balance, these are things that can really throw a monkey wrench into fat loss. I mean you know this, Trevor. You’re total expert on this kind of stuff. Just from the way that you live your life, I mean look.

Trevor Cates:                Yeah, when I come and I work out with you, we have … I love your workouts, they’re so fun. That’s part of it, too, that I want to remind people is that working or exercise, fitness, it doesn’t have to be this dreaded thing. It can be fun. I think I really have gotten to the point where I love moving my body and the way I feel after a good workout. It’s energizes you for the day. It helps my mind be clearer, help you have better focus, all those great things. Make better food choices, too, because you’re working so hard with your body and you’re moving it. You’re less likely to feed it with things that your body doesn’t want, your body doesn’t need.

Bree A.:                        That’s so true. Exercise and fitness … I mean exercise and nutrition, nutrition and fitness, they just really go hand in hand as the thing. It’s like that’s … If you’re not … I feel like nutrition really is like 80% of the equation. People get that backwards. They think that fitness is 80%. They spend 80% of their time that they have available trying to make time for their workouts, when if they would spend even 50% of their time just making sure they had food ready to go for the day, spending a little time just reading about the nutrients, how they work in your body, making a green smoothie, looking into how much protein they actually need, learning about the difference between good carbs and bad carbs, and what are healthy fats, and how much is good for them. That’s the kind of stuff that helps you make better choices throughout your day, and will really support your efforts in your workouts is you’re not eating correctly, your efforts of your workouts just are not going to show. You’re just not going to see the results.

Bree A.:                        That’s why the very first thing I said when you’re like, “How do you get rid of body fat?” Is nutrition, nutrition, nutrition. Then, do the other stuff. When people are sick or injured, which we hear … I hear questions about that all the time. ‘How should I train, I got a knee injury.’ ‘How should I train, I have the flu. When can I start working out again? Can I? I just want to work out.’

Bree A.:                        The answer is always you have this little army inside of you that wants to make you better. Don’t take half of your army and send them off to fight another battle in a workout. You need all of them to work for you. Also, what are you feeding your army? How is your army going to help support you and help regrow that tissue, or get you more healthy if you are not eating a nutritionally balanced way? You might as well just expect to be sick longer if you’re doing either of those things, eating poorly or exercising; just side note. Nutrition is so important, right?

Trevor Cates:                Yeah, absolutely. Do you have any tips on for hair and skin? What do you do? You’ve got this gorgeous hair and skin, so what do you?

Bree A.:                        Thank you, Trevor. It’s a big compliment coming from you. I totally, like I actually funny, I just wrote a blog article about this the other day. I started out by saying I do use some products that are nice, but products mean nothing without nutrition, nutrition, nutrition, right? And exercise, which really helps us sweat, which helps us move fluid through our body, and eliminate waste. If you’ve got those two pieces and you’re paying attention to exercise and nutrition, and you’re getting enough sleep, and hydrating, which is like a huge one. Let me just say hydration’s such an important key.

Bree A.:                        Then really it just comes down to choosing products. We all have different hair. I have really thick, thick hair. You have hair that’s really different. We couldn’t be more opposite with our hair, right? You have this beautiful lightweight blonde hair. I have really thick, heavy dark hair. Everybody listening is going to have different hair. I won’t go into my hair care products necessarily, if you want to read them, they’re on my blog. It’s really just about using products that are quality so that you don’t have to use a ton of them. If they’re expensive, then buy something else. It’s really just about quality over quantity. I wash my hair once a week, honestly.

Bree A.:                        When it comes to my skincare, I just … I don’t overdo it. I use your four step system, which is amazing. I think really going for the quality there is what is really helpful, because what I love about your system is that you can customize it to different skin types. That’s why I started this out by saying ‘If you have different hair types, you’re going to need different products.’ When it comes to your skin, you’ve got a system that you can really customize to your skin type; which I really, really like.

Bree A.:                        The products, you want to make sure that they’re high quality, that they’re being made from the best possible sourced ingredients. I think it’s really unique and special that you’re so involved in making the skin care products, because you look around out there and most of the manufacturing companies that are making the skincare products that are out there, they’re not made by a doctor or someone who’s intimately involved in taking care of the skin. They’re made by marketers, marketing companies who outsource this, who then want to get you to buy stuff, which is why they tell you, you need 20 different things for 20 different skin types for 20 different days. You end up with like this medicine cabinet full of crap that you never even use.

Bree A.:                        I just felt like I really appreciated what you created. … Yeah, so that’s pretty much my story about my skin and hair, but thanks for asking.

Trevor Cates:                Well, and I know going back to your fitness routine, and these 20 minute workouts, it’s really about being efficient.

Bree A.:                        Yeah.

Trevor Cates:                Structuring it in a way, you’re not just … you’re not going to be checking your phone and changing the music, and hanging out, talking to people during those 20 minutes. That doesn’t count. You want to focus. This is one thing that I love about you is you’re so focused and organized. That’s one of the reasons why you’re doing all the great things that you’re doing. How do you structure these workouts in a way to make them so effective? Can you go through that a little bit more?

Bree A.:                        Sure. Honestly, … Are you asking like how do I write a workout so someone could write their own workout, or are you asking-

Trevor Cates:                [crosstalk 00:25:19] No, just about the workout. You start with-

Bree A.:                        The plan? How does it sort of work? Like how would it … Well, the way that I wrote like for example the 30 day challenge that I have, the free one that anyone can take, is I took like … How do I want to train over the course of a week? This is exactly the structure that I put together. I would train … I would do a full body workout, right? Full body. I might do the next day, I might do booty and legs. The next day I might do upper body. The next day I might do yoga stretching, completely relaxing. The next day, I might come back and do … focus on back body, like posterior chain exercises. Next day I might do another full body. The next day I might take a total rest day.

Bree A.:                        Just I work around the body, like working in different areas. That keeps it really fun and interesting for me. You could also do full body workouts day-to-day, but you would want to work different parts of your body because your body needs to rest. Your muscles need rest. Each muscle group needs rest in order to really strengthen. You also need full rest days. Physiologically, you need to recover correctly. The challenge I was just talking about, that’s basically how it’s structured. You get just something different to do every day for 30 days. They’re 15 minute workouts, so it’s even more focused.

Bree A.:                        It’s just like you said, it’s such a great point. You want to focus. You want to get right into it. You want to just go. It’s fun because I’m there like jumping around like a cartoon character, getting you excited. I’m very calm right now in this interview, but you know how I am when I’m coaching and how I’m training. I’m just a total ham. I’m not perfect when I’m working out. I tell you when I’m doing a modification for myself. I’m ‘flaw-some,’ flawed and awesome. I expect that you would take that to yourself, too, because there’s no need …

Bree A.:                        This whole concept of perfect, doing everything so perfectly is just not good. We’re always a work in progress. We’re always practicing our craft. Myself, Trevor, we’re always practicing. How we show up right now is the best version of ourselves, but we’re constantly striving to do more and be more. We’re constantly reaching a hand back to help the next person up, which I think is the point of why is it that you want to be fit?

Bree A.:                        What really changed for me going back to my origin story, which is I recognized that the more I loved myself, the more I was able to show up as a positive role model for my young cousins’ kids, for the people in my life who I loved and cared for, for the people who looked up to me. That started to have more meaning and more value than absolutely anything else. I started to recognize that responsibility and to take personal responsibility for how I cared for myself for a bigger reason.

Bree A.:                        Now the byproduct of how I look and feel is a byproduct of how I treat myself. It’s really … It’s a nice byproduct. It’s a nice perk to be 41 and to have shredded physique. It feels really good. But why I have that is because I love myself. I take care of myself. I have this vitality that you can feel because of how I eat, how I train, how I sleep. Really my mission, which is how can I show up for you? How can I inspire you? How can I take care of you? That’s really what it is. It’s an expression of self love.

Trevor Cates:                I love it. I think it’s so great to be talking about community and how we can support each other. I think there’s a big part of health lies in that. Who we surround ourselves with, who we’re inspired by, who we … how we show up around … with the people around us I think is a big part of health. It has that ripple effect, too. Thanks for adding that in.

Bree A.:                        Oh yeah, that’s why we’re friends, dude. It’s like we inspire each other. We’re supported by each other. We are part of a bigger community that all of you listening to are part of, too, because this is like what it’s about. Trevor and I want to have this conversation publicly so that you hear who are we actually and what are we about? This is like spreading the goodness. You need to take this message into yourself and spread it with the people around you. That’s my statement to the listener.

Trevor Cates:                Absolutely. Perfect. Well thank you, Bree. Tell everybody your website where they can find out more about you. Then you’ve got some programs and … yeah, so tell people how they can find out more.

Bree A.:                        Well, you can go to TheBettyRocker.com, of course, and get access. There’s a big banner there so you can sign up for my free 30 day challenge, which is so fun. The catch, of course, some of you listening are like, ‘It’s free, but what’s the catch?’ Let me tell you what the catch is.

Bree A.:                        I’m super transparent. Your workout video will only be available for 24 hours. Every day, I’m going to email you a workout to do. It’s only up for 24 hours, which means you have to do it. There’s no excuses. You got 15 minutes. You can do 15 minutes a day. That’s how you do that. Just go to TheBettyRocker.com, sign up for that.

Bree A.:                        Of course, you’re welcome to browse my programs. When you sign up for the free 30 day workout challenge, I’ll offer you the 30 day challenge meal plan, which will help enhance your results. Of course, you can browse my other workout programs, my other meal plan programs, just from the main blog. Feel free to send us a note if you have any questions about those things. Really try the free challenge, it’s amazing. You’ll get so much out of it. It’s a lot of what Dr. Trevor and I were talking about here. Yeah, I hope that you find that valuable.

Trevor Cates:                Great, and it’s TheBettyRocker.com, right? Don’t forget the ‘the.’

Bree A.:                        Yeah. If you just type ‘Betty Rocker’ in Google, I’m like … I’ll be right there at the top for you.

Trevor Cates:                Okay. All right, perfect. Thank you, Bree. So appreciate you joining us today, thank you.

Bree A.:                        Yeah, it’s great to see you. Thank you so much.

Trevor Cates:                I hope you enjoyed this interview today with Bree, The Betty Rocker, and you got some great tips on fitness and other things that help support your fitness routine in getting you the results that you’re looking for. To find out more about Bree, you can go to TheSpaDr.com, go to the podcast page with her interview, and you’ll find all the information and links there.

Trevor Cates:                While you’re there on my website, you can join the Spa Dr. community. You can also subscribe to the podcast on iTunes, so you don’t miss any of our upcoming shows. If you haven’t done so already, I highly recommend you get your customized skin profile at TheSkinQuiz.com. It’s a free online quiz. It’ll give you information about what your skin is trying to tell you about your health and what you can do about it. Just go to TheSkinQuiz.com.

Trevor Cates:    Also, I invite you to join me on social media, on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, YouTube and join the conversation. I’ll see you next time on The Spa Dr. podcast.